Flame Angel

[Fredk]

While checking out one of my local shops, I was told that the Flame Angel is no longer available in Canada due to the moratorium on fish from Hawaii. He said there are a few to be found, but at much higher prices.

A quick check on liveaquaria.com shows they are available in the US at normal prices and sources list Vanuatu, Cebu and Marshal Islands as well.

Are they really no longer available here? That would make me very sad as this is my angel of choice for my tank.

 

[derrick orosz]

I saw one a big Als Kitchener a couple weeks a go.... $150... my jaw is still sore from hitting the floor

 

[jeffopentax]

@reefdiver can get them for $150 as well


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[SamB]

I bought one 2 years ago for $50

 

[TORX]

That is due to the fact that they are from Hawaii and there is currently a ban on aquarium fishing in that area. Supply and demand.

 

[derrick orosz]

That is due to the fact that they are from Hawaii and there is currently a ban on aquarium fishing in that area. Supply and demand.

I Doubt there’s much demand at that price lol

 

[Fredk]

That is due to the fact that they are from Hawaii and there is currently a ban on aquarium fishing in that area. Supply and demand.

That's the thing. According to liveaquaria.com in the US they are from the following locations: Cebu, Christmas Island, Marshall Islands, Vanuatu. Those are not Hawaii. They are listed on sale at $35 USD. Something does not quite add up.

 

[reefdiver]

@reefdiver can get them for $150 as well


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The price from the wholesalers went up on stuff from the Hawaii area when that ban came out. Likely the price to them went up as well, and depending what other island they may have come from, the cost of shipping them likely changes too.

 

[Fredk]

So, all Canadian wholesale goes through Hawaii? The discrepancy between the US price and CDN still seems odd.

 

[TORX]

So, all Canadian wholesale goes through Hawaii? The discrepancy between the US price and CDN still seems odd.

One size is on sale for that price at liveaquaria. They are typically 54.99USD for small and 59.99USD for medium or 68.41CAD and 74.64CAD respectively. Sustainablemarinecanada.ca had them listed for approx $80. You cant compare US sale price to Canadian regular price on any product. Shipping and other expenses are more for Canadians then Americans. plus liveaquaria is basically a wholesaler with the quantity of stock they ship in.

If your store only deals with a particular wholesaler, then no, they may not be able to get them.

If their last stock one is from Hawaii, then Yes they will jack up the price for one of the last high demand now rare Hawaii Flame Angels.

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[Josh]

That is due to the fact that they are from Hawaii and there is currently a ban on aquarium fishing in that area. Supply and demand.

did you see that they repealed the fiji ban?

 

[TORX]

did you see that they repealed the fiji ban?

Not that I have read. Link?

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[Josh]

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/fiji-livestock-ban-coral-and-rock-exports-halted.346953/page-7

very little details

 

[TORX]

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/fiji-livestock-ban-coral-and-rock-exports-halted.346953/page-7

very little details

I will beleive it when I see it from a reputable source. So far WSI is the only source starting the ban had been lifted. Not seeing anything from Fiji Fisheries or news. I do not trust WSI after reading several other statements they have made publicly.

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[Josh]

Couldnt agree more, nothing concrete yet

 

[Fredk]

One size is on sale for that price at liveaquaria. They are typically 54.99USD for small and 59.99USD for medium or 68.41CAD and 74.64CAD respectively. Sustainablemarinecanada.ca had them listed for approx $80. You cant compare US sale price to Canadian regular price on any product. Shipping and other expenses are more for Canadians then Americans. plus liveaquaria is basically a wholesaler with the quantity of stock they ship in.

If your store only deals with a particular wholesaler, then no, they may not be able to get them.

If their last stock one is from Hawaii, then Yes they will jack up the price for one of the last high demand now rare Hawaii Flame Angels.

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Thanks, that makes much more sense. The dealer I spoke to specifically said that you cannot get this fish in Canada any more and that those at the high price (he quoted $150) were what was left in the supply chain. That sounded suspect since an outright ban would have been mentioned on forums like these.

Looks like I need to familiarize myself with the price of things though...

 

[Salty Cracker]

Maybe the Canadian stores are using amazon.ca to price their flame angels. You know, $35 USD = $1450.00 CAN