Is It A Need Or Is It A Want?

Kman

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I was going to do this in my build thread but decided to separate it as to not clog up the build thread.

A good skill to learn is do you need something or do you want something. In this hobby things have gotten a little confused between the two and the lines have blurred a little over the last few years with the explosion of new technology and products out there. I am going to attempt to give some clarity from my experience that I have learned through trial and error about what you really need and what you want.

That sweet controller, doser, Calcium reactors or (insert technology here) that you see someone have and absolutely need.... Sorry not a need in most cases but a want. Don't get me wrong it is nice to have stuff to automate things but in most cases it is a want not a need. I have grown corals with nothing more than a heater, air stone and a security light I got at home depot so trust me you don't need that Apex or doser to maintain your tank in most cases you want it. A poor mechanic blame's his tools as the saying goes. Calcium reactors were designed for when the standard means of supplementation (Kalk or other calcium product) no longer are able to meet your calcium needs because you have large fast growing hard corals. Not small frags and you are lazy to manually do it. You will cause more issues using something like this improperly then you would without it.

Some situations do warrant automation to make things less time consuming or if you are gone a lot and need some automation to keep things moving along. For instance my tank evaporates 5 gallons or more a day so it is very time consuming for me to manually top up. So I got an ATO. This piece of hardware had a huge impact on stability of my salinity and stopped me from manually adding water 6 times a day. I even was able to add my Kalk into my top up water so I stopped having to add Kalk manually as well. So I killed two birds with one stone so to speak. Even in this case it was not a need for me but I wanted it to cut down on my work.

If you take your time and do things manually for the first years you will be a better reefer for it. So many people nowadays jump into the high tech game right away because they were under the impression they needed it to be successful. When that controller dies or other fancy hardware they have been relying on they have would have no idea how to do something manually as they never did it. You will be a better reefer if you stick to manual and simple setup if you lean the difference between need vs want. It will help cut your costs down from not buying unnecessary hardware. As a bonus that makes the spouse happy. I myself didn't go high tech till after 25 years and did everything manually. The less stuff you use on your tank the less that goes wrong and the simpler troubleshooting is.

Products also fall under need vs want. Yes they have all these cool color enhancing, instant cycle products that claim to stop the need for waiting for the cycle to compete, growth enhancers, iodine, super concentrated iodine, coral foods or alleged reef safe treatments the list goes on and on. But do you really need all these? Nope once again you don't. Keep in mind the manufactures invent these products and hype them up so you spend your money. Not saying the before mentioned products don't work just saying most are not needed regularly if at all.
I keep my supplements simple and basic. I use Kalk for my balanced calcium\alk solution. I have a buffer from Brightwell Alkalin 8.3-P if I need to adjust my ALK but not my calcium. I have a calcium supplement (Calcion from Brightwells) that doesn't have a buffer so I can adjust just the calcium and I use a magnesium supplement when I remember to use it. Prime for treatment of my water and occupationally use Reef roids as a treat. I also obviously have the standard test kits but I don't test very often. (I do not recommend not testing unless you have a lot of experience) I test my Mag, Alk and Calcium once a month and almost never for phosphates or nitrates. Instead I use a good quality salt and do regular weekly water changes to replace my trace elements that are not rapidly completed like Calcium, ALK or MAG. To also keep my nutrients in check.

If you keep your tank simple with basic hardware and products you will save a tone of money and simplify the troubleshooting process. Learn what your system really needs. I myself don't like spending my hard earned money on stuff I don't need. You want proof of my words and the results? Just look at my build thread pictures and you will see the results.
 

heath

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truer words were never spoken, all of my tanks run on the KISS theory... Keep It Simple Stupid....all of my fish are extremely healthy and my corals are all growing great...
Be prepared, you are going to ruffle some feathers...
 

Joshbrookkate

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I agree with you, Kman, in how you define wants vs needs. And it's important for us newbies to understand how everything works, by doing things manually.....in the beginning.
But......
As we get further into the hobby, we find that water quality stability is a need, not a want.
And an ATO is very important to achieve that. I would recommend that every newbie plan to have one in the near future.
And a RODI system.
And good test kits, as regular testing helps us learn how to achieve that stability - through dosing, kalk or otherwise, as needed.
And a heater controller. Yeah, not needed but wise to have.

Those things are not needs, but they sure improve our chances of success.

And if you want to travel for weeks at a time, like we do, an Apex, well.....

Thanks for initiating this discussion! It's important and timely. Michelle
 

AdInfinitum

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A proper heater controller is a need...

All heaters have a controller (thermostat) the only question to ask is...Are you going to entrust the lives of your creatures to a cheap, built in bi-metal spring and contact points thermostat that WILL fail and is most likely to fail "on" as the points arc together? Or to an electronic sensor/relay system that is properly designed for the job and leaves you the bi-metal contacts as a backup?

Where I am the last person to advocate rushing out and buying the latest gadget or potion...

Honestly we did a lot of things manually in the bad old days because we had no choice and it was strictly a DIY hobby...one of the attractions for me was that you couldn't buy success, you had to earn it. Now there are options...and it is good for new people to understand that you can choose to spend effort instead of dollars and still have success.
 

Nighthawk26

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I agree with the overall message here.

With one comment to add.

Not everyone has been in the hobby for years. Some do not want their hobby to occupy a huge chunk of time. They just want a beautiful display to enjoy. Perhaps they have other hobbies or interests, perhaps a work life that keeps them away often, or a family that requires a lot of attention. Needs and wants start to become not just about the "gear". I want to have a more balanced life, but I want to have a large display tank. Don't have the time to maybe put in all the manual hours involved, so as a result, I NEED to automate, I need to be able to have "big brother" (apex) watch over things and let me know if somethintlg isn't right. Wants will always be what triggers the need, not the other way around. With that, everyone will have a different need.
 
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Kman

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There are lots of legitimate times where a want turns into a need. Some people do need automation because of their daily time constraints or they are gone a lot and that is ok. Take RO filter as another example. It is not always a need but a want. It really depends on your source water and the quality of it, how old your house is and the pipes and what you are keeping in your tank. If you keep mostly soft corals and some LPS in one of my old tanks I have gotten away for over a decade with using tap water straight out of the tap with only prime treatment. Now that my house is older and the source water is not as clean and I am SPS dominant I use RO as I need to. But at one time I didn't.

This article is about making the reefer think about their needs to help stop confusing the want\need dilemma. Being new to this hobby it is hard to sort through all the info on the net to help you figure out the difference between the two and to help you make a educated decision.
 
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Kman

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It is one of those topics that doesn't get talked about a lot but it really has a huge impact on you making good choices for your tank and your needs. Not what someone else has or needs. I know if I was new to the hobby today and I was going over all the options I would feel lost.When I started we had next to no options so really it was more simple to figure out because you didn't have an army of choices and fancy looking hardware to distract you. You had you.

The Skimmer is another good one to look at. Do you really need a skimmer? That all depends on skill level, what you are keeping, how old your tank is, the size of tank and how you set your tank up. If you are new to this hobby you will be prone to overfeeding with less then ideal husbandry skills because of lack of experience. Till you get experience you are not as good at spotting the early warring signs that something is building up or about to go wrong. You are also not as familiar with input vs export and how to maximize this. So yes you should have a skimmer to allow some flexibility and to help keep things clean and make up for lack of experience till you gain some. Some people just like to feed a stupid amount so those people should have one. It can also depend on how long you have your tank set up for. When I first set up my current build I used a skimmer as the tank has not had time to build up the food web or bacteria that helps me keep the tank clean. As I know from experience that a tank is not at full swing and properly balanced till around the 2 year mark I ran one to help process waste. Now that my tank has been set up for over two years it has stabilized and everything has balanced out. I don't run one now even with a dominant SPS tank. Size of tank also effects if you need one or not. Larger water volumes give you more time for build up so you can deal with it easier. Small tanks can build up quite quickly so it is normally best to run one on smaller systems as they have a big impact.

Even meeting any of the above criteria one could argue it is not a need as if you were to manually change a little water per day on these tanks you can easily run one without a skimmer. It is just more work is all.
 

heath

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I totally agree with some/most of the comments especially when it comes to new reefers.. from personal experience it took me over a year of reading and research before I took the plunge to sw..several times I asked if I could afford this hobby and do I need this and that, thank god for friends that are experienced at this..I think that all new reefers should team up with a mentor..there are still times when I doubt myself not knowing if my experience is enough to add certain things to my tank..
 

Joshbrookkate

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I totally agree with some/most of the comments especially when it comes to new reefers.. from personal experience it took me over a year of reading and research before I took the plunge to sw..several times I asked if I could afford this hobby and do I need this and that, thank god for friends that are experienced at this..I think that all new reefers should team up with a mentor..there are still times when I doubt myself not knowing if my experience is enough to add certain things to my tank..

I like the mentor idea, Heath!
This forum is the next best thing....
 

scubasteve

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this forum is my religion and holy bible lol the thing i dont like about people jumping in to high tech equipment is "how do you adjust and set your equipment without knowing your tanks needs first" most people rethink a doser and other equip till they know their needs otherwise you are doomed for failure.
 
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Kman

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If people get familiar with their tanks because they did things manually for a few years they will be better for it. I sure am and would never trade that time I spent doing it for a high tech experience. Doing things manually for as long as you can really gives you an in depth feel as to cause and effect and how the tank cycles flow. If you are never watching your tank but instead the gadgets that are monitoring them, you can't know what is going on. So spend time looking at your system instead and it will reward you. Don't get me wrong sometimes there is a good reason someone goes high tech. I am just saying think before you do and see if you really need to.

As for the mentor idea I agree as every person to this hobby should have someone so they can bounce ideas off of them. If you are new you need someone with experience to help you till you have enough experience. When I started it was way more basic with a small selection of information. Almost no information actually was around so we had to resort to researching the crap out of it. This included going to every spot that has a book or magazine on the ocean and read everything you could. I looked at pictures of reef's in the wild so I could figure out coral placement and needs. As no how to docs of forums were around this was the only information we had to get information and had to learn by doing and experimenting. Today with the forms they are good and bad. Good because people have a spot to learn things from experienced reefers, each other and to share a common interest. Bad because every keyboard warrior has an opinion so you need to sort through all the bad information to find the good.
 
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