Morphed 1,000g+ Dual Bow Front in 3,500g+ multi-tank system "Project Morpheus"

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CreativeGuy

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First system/build

It has been being planned for about a year and a half thus far and is constantly under going changes.
"Creature Morpheus", the name given to this project started out as a 150g-200g reef tank and has constantly "morphed" into a lot bigger system over time. 

The main display tank at the centre of the home (first floor), is a custom irregular shaped bow front 8'-4" wide x 68" depth x 36" in height, which translates into just over a 700g (exterior volume) / 600g (water filled) display with an exterior rear coast to coast overflow box.

The remainder of the system is in the crawl space and basement area below which houses some 800g in various additional tanks including a 330g reef tank, frag and multi-cube tanks (4 x 50g), and plus the 1,500g+ filtration system which consists of several sumps (500g live rock; 500g Deep Sand Bed; 180g refugium; commercial ATS, custom 4-beckett skimmer, moving bio-filter and some filter/collection sumps. 

If you wish to learn more about the project or follow on-going progress, there are two sources available:

1)  my dedicated we site which breaks down into individual pages of the various components at: "www.CreatureMorpheus.com"

2) At reefcentral.com in Large Reef Tanks is an interactive thread post titled "Creature Morpheus - 3,000+ gallon multi-tank system (Canada)"

I can try to answer any questions here if I am aware of them.

Have a good summer everyone,
Joe from Belle River Ontario
 
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phi delt reefer

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Re: 600g irregular bow front in 3,000g+ multi-tank system "Project Morpheus"

my wife would divorce me for just reading your build in case i was to get any "bright" ideas...
 

Darryl_V

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Re: 600g irregular bow front in 3,000g+ multi-tank system "Project Morpheus"

INSANE!...in a good way of course.

What type of corals and fish will you keep?
 

teebone110

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Re: 600g irregular bow front in 3,000g+ multi-tank system "Project Morpheus"

Excited to watch the progress! Thanks for sharing.
Let me know when its finished and I will drop by for a swim! 8)

Tyler
 
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Re: 600g irregular bow front in 3,000g+ multi-tank system "Project Morpheus"

Well, everyone has been telling me it is an insane undertaking and I would have to agree.
Everything takes a lot longer to do than expected and more money than is available.
So I continue to slow the pace of things. Every week search for the best deals, economical ways of doing things.
Still plugging away without any water yet.
Hopefully can have the RODI system running before going to MACNA in September.
Upon my return will have my salt (25 boxes @ 200g) to begin making some water to start curing rock.

The most active thread is the one on Reef Central .com (search Creature Morpheus Canada)

Joe
 
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Re: 600g irregular bow front in 3,000g+ multi-tank system "Project Morpheus"

I'm in Belle River as well.  If you ever want to show off what you have done or need a hand let me know....

Riddler
 
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crazybizzle

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Re: 600g irregular bow front in 3,000g+ multi-tank system "Project Morpheus"

Im not that far from u. Would love to come check it out one day
 
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CreativeGuy

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1,000g+Dual Bow Front in 3,500g+ multi-tank system "Project Morpheus"

Hello All,  .... Creature Morpheus is still Growing

Below is a brief synopsis (for more recent and interactive posts there is a build thread on Reef Central - search "Creature Morpheus Canada") on the background to this project (just more from a point of interest in its development). The project got named "Creature Morpheus" because it started out as a little cute little project (creature) that keep "morphing", growing bigger and bigger, now is a monster. There is a dedicated website by me that I did to help give an overview, development and track progress for those that wish to.  "creaturemorpheus.com"

Background.....

This is a project that started out as little 150g-200g tank eighteen months ago ... and it has progressively  MORPHED into a monster  .... 300g ... 330g  @ 6 foot (rectangular) ....  450g “S” bow .... 500g rectangular than to 600g gallon “L” shaped multi-sided bow front for quite a while, then thought I maxed out the space at 750g 8-side L bow front that had fit the living space. There is a whole story of the morphing history/development and breakdown of the system on a dedicated website www.creaturemorpheus.com.

Went to MACNA in Des Moines Iowa last week and had many a discussion with some great people and there were a lot of good recommendations, so when back to the drawing board this week. In order to create a live rock aquascape strategic for growing a SPS reef, provide good flow (the “L” shape one wasn't well suited to  good reef dynamics), structural reinforcement of the top perimeter, over flow considerations where many of the main factors influencing changes to the main display tank.

So on the long 14 hour drive home from MACNA .... thoughts that although the creative and unique 100” long custom “L”shaped tank fit and maximized the available space, it was not a great functional tank. Initially a bit distraught about going back to the drawing board to start over, it may have a been a good thing. Taking into account my original goals and the above mentioned factors, I wanted to still do the best I could do. Many facets of this project were well on its way, including the custom mould for the bow front glass which has been finished for a few months.  It was an unsettling drive home.

Based on various input and discussions with top aquarists at MACNA from around the world, a more rectangular shaped tank would be best suited for flow, greater depth  from front to back would be preferable and utilizing the in production bow front piece of glass as component I could not change ... as Kirk in Star Trek changed the rules of the game by reprogramming the no-win senario, so he could beat the test; the only way I could see a solution was to “change the space” since such a tank would not fit. In re-examining the space, it would require tearing out and removing part of a built-in custom cabinetry and granite counter tops (and walls) in the adjacent dinning room. In doing so, would allow for a more rectangular tank with characteristicsto achieve good circular flow and aadditional space for a tapering rockscape.

The previous 8-sided was a fabrication nightmare and posed many difficulties in reinforcing it with many more irregular bevelled seams of high risk failure. Therefore simple would be better.

Hence Morpheus keeps earning his name, and morphed dramatically into a  1,000g, 4-sided, double 100" bow-front (same dimensional size as previous) with 50" exterior sides and a centre depth of 66". The proposed height is 39.4" (1M) – presently working on verifying the engineering for this high of glass and a 36” water height. There is also the change from an exterior overflow to a centre internal overflow (offset). The tank shall be be similarly reinforced at the top and bottom. At the top it shall have a 3"x1/2" structural stainless steel band (over lapping the glass 1-3/4") with a welded 1"x1" SS solid inside  member, curved to the bow front and straight on the sides. The bottom section shall be reinforced utilizing steel gusset blocks (supporting the bottom 3" of vertical glass) spaced about 16" on centre against a continuous piece of 1/2" corian and hidden beneath the bordering granite counter top ledge. The bottom glass shall be doubled laminated 3/4" x 2 + clear laminate sheet of 1/8th = 1.625”.

Double inferring that two of the sides are bowed and mirrored.


Internal Overflow Design:  (still being discussed and designed)

The interior overflow box for exiting to the filtration system (estimated effluent of 4,000 gph) has four internal drain pipes ( two under full siphon, an oversized open channel drain and a safety overflow to a sanitary drain). According to the guide calculator, it needs about 60” linear inches for its overflow. That is not achievable for an external rear overflow box within the confines of the space and exposed glass. Therefore, the internal overflow was the only feasible option.

Closed Loops and Overflow Box Assembly:

There are two concepts being floated for the draws of the closed loops which make a common manifold in the basement for multiple pumps. Both utilizes two surrounding the interior overflow boxes adjacent to the main one, that are like secondary overflow boxes (slightly lower by 1") for the closed loop system (2 @ 3").

The main reason behind this is to draw a greater amount of surface water towards the main overflow and hence to the skimmer.


The two concepts being considered are:

(i) to go through  the bottom similar to the internal overflows for the filtration, ut runs the risk of lowering the water level in the tank below that of the main overflow.

(ii) using an over-the-top piping for the closed loop suctions so they will not siphon down the tank if there is a problem. Also limits few holes in the bottom of the tank.

The rear section is a glass false bulkhead to cover (as well as allow smooth water flow around the tank) the closed loop supply return lines to from above the tank to the bottom where the loops shall be buried beneath 3" of heavier sand.

UPDATE:  shall be an rear external overflow box with over the top closed loops (no holes inside the main tank).
 
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CreativeGuy

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The above CAD drawing shows the potential pipe layout described below....

FLOW DESIGN:

Over the past year and a half, flow dynamics within the main SPS reef tank has been of major importance and design. Spending time and discussing in detail  with top designers and large tank specialist at MACNA last week, prompted this major redesign of the aquarium to promote better flow. The general consensus was to create effective motion that changes and emulates chaotic ocean currents in reefs, and best explained in simplified terms within a tank to produce gyre(s) (spiral or vortex) of current and transition them (simply can be in either in a vertical plane or horizontal plane). One of the best ways to achieve this is to get a "clockwise" gyre going for a period of time (say 30 minutes), then reverse it into a "counter clockwise" rotation (for another 30 minutes).  During the transition from clockwise to counter clockwise can be a very turbulent or chaotic time. There are challenges to achieve this, especially once you have the momentum of 900g of water going in a circular fashion in the tank and try to stop or reverse its direction. Tanks and water volumes are 3-dimensional, so other factors of height and obstacles like rock, corals and internal overflows also complicate flow dynamics.

As for the original tank, the "L" shape was not conducive for getting a circular gyre going, one of the main reasons for changing it. Therefore, the rectangular bow-fronted shape and moving the interior overflow to the interior and leaving an 8"-9" space at the rear of the tank to allow flow around the perimeter of the tank and assemblage of the centre aquascaped rock making up the reef, which made much more sense. Therefore, the design incorporated:

Two bottom closed loops piped and nozzle jets (in this case eductors) around the bottom of the tank perimeter: (a) clockwise with 10 or so eductors; and (b) almost a mirrored loop as “a” for the counter clockwise gyre.
(c) As the tank shall have a water depth of 36”, the bottom loops may not provide effective surface movement to move floating matrials and oils towards the overflow for removal. Therefore, aditional in all four corners of the tank shall be 4 more heads on another closed loop with programable rotating heads to sequence with the clockwise/cc flow patterns. 
(d) two Vortech MP60s  located on the rear of the tank pointing into the gyre currents to assist in disrupting the gyre and creating chaotic flow during the transitionl time.
(e) another closed loops shall be for within the reef aquascape on an Oceans Motions 4-way to potentially create additional dynamics and blow ditritus materials from the rock.
(f) the last closed loop shall be a manifold with a series of small nozzles to blow ditritus from beneath the rock (not planning on sand beneather the main assembly of the reef.
(g) the two reurns from the filtration system (2 @ 2,000gph) shall be dropped just below the surface of the water onto the reef, shall likely have minimal impact to the overall flow dynamics within the tank. 
 
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Re: Morphed 1,000g+ Dual Bow Front - Deep Sand Beds in System

DEEP SAND BEDS

During the past months I have researched and read about DSB, as well as visited various long term established facilities and spoken with very creditable people (in my opinion, with a wealth of experienced-- inclusive of Ron Stimek’s research, Morgan Lidster of Inland Aquatics, re-known aquarist Stuart Bertram of England (and D-D) , Ryan Shelander, Lead Aquarist at A&M aquatics, and others). Though my understanding of the science, experience and long term proven performance of deep sand beds, that if designed, constructed, established with good crews and bacteria, with little disruptive maintenance and proper attention, they function well if set up well and left to do there work. Therefore, I am confident and a proponent of DSB. They are an essential and therefore a major and primary component of my filtration system.

There have been several changes from the initial concepts and proposed design, the two prominent changes being:

(A) The main Display Tank being a modified segmented bottom sub-straight;
(B) The design of the DSB sump from one 14” deep (100” x 51” x 25”) 500g DSB into two 8” deep (96” x 32” x 18”) @ 235g each = 470g.
(C) The third location in the 330g secondary display tank shall be set up with a 5” DSB with a pair of Vortech’s MP60s for flow; hopefully controllable not to disrupt and suspend the sand.

A more detail explanation of background and reasoning follows ....

(A) During my MACNA weekend, there were a lot of detailed discussions regarding the DSB in the main display tank. Initially I had planned on 100% coverage of a DSB of primarily sugar fine sand, great for biological activity. However, as I became more informed from people of experience,  modifications and strategies would be necessary,  few of these are:

(i)  The 1,000g tank with its intended flow and counter flow activity, it would pose issues, therefore, it will not having a complete deep sand bed within the main SPS display tank as previously planned because the high rate of flows necessary for a SPS habitat would disrupt and suspend the sugar fine sands and deposit them throughout the tank. Yet, the aquascape shall need to look full of sand, so the exposed areas of the tank (not directly beneath the assemblage of reef rock) shall be covered in specially selected sand.
(ii) Yet in a couple of areas within the large tank, I am hoping to isolate a couple of locations that can hold 6” to 7” deep of sand and be protected by making a cove around the pocket with rock to shield the area from high water flow. These pockets would hopefully sustain several DSB critters like gobbies and dean up crews.   
(iii)  In trying to keep the detritus from building up under the live rock and reef, and purging it out with a closed loops under the rock, would be incompatible with flows required to be effective.  Therefore, my objective shall still be to suspend the live rock off the bottom several inches and have the detritus purging loops beneath them and maintain little to no sand (clear bottom) directly beneath the rock-scape.
(iv)  Yet around the perimeter I shall have two primary closed loops (for clockwise and counter clockwise gyre motion), each with multiple discharge heads with eductors to create an effective gyre. These are to be buried in sand but the sand shall be of a heavier density and larger size.
(v)  In order to accomplish these differing set of parameters, I shall be designing and having built by Cerameco.com, a series of man made ceramic reef pieces for the bottom of the tank that can divide the space into areas descried above.

There will be some testing and experimenting in temporary set ups to see how things function in the tank. Eventually a in-tank trial run will happen in the main display tank and tweaking it, before starting to place corals in it. The rock shall be cured/seeded in a temporary system for several months and further placed in the main tank one to two months additionally before any reef-scaping. 

(B) Below is a CAD drawing illustrating an initial proposal for a 14” deep sand bed with 8” of water. However based on more research and discussion, as indicated by Ron Shimek (and confirmed by others) that the normal DSB critters and animals that live in aquariums have or occupy a habitat that is limited to a depth of 8”. Beyond this depth  does appear to have some benefit, yet such gains or benefits are minimized in the deeper environments for the efforts and associated cost. Water surface area is also beneficial. Therefore, to maximize more surface area and limit the sand depth to 8”’,  I change from a custom acrylic  100” x 51” x 25” deep (as illustrated belong) to two fibreglass tubs 96” x 32” and 18” deep. These shall be placed side by side and have an 8” deep sand and 6” of water flow (80g) with some live rock placed on the sand surface to impede flow and also have sponges to be grown on the rock. The tubs are non-transparent and shall be covered with black acrylic lids, so the DSB shall be shielded from any light. Each tub shall have just over 15 cubic feet of sand with an intended water flow through of approximately 3 to 4 water changes per hour (300gph). Total service water will be 600gph over 30 c.ft. of sand that has a surface area of about 44 square feet.  The tanks are designed with 3-way valves for balancing or adjusting flow and by-pass of the filtration water through the system.

An added bonus was the cost of both fibreglass tubs (USED, but they work) was almost the MATERIAL cost alone of a single 3/4” black acrylic sheet for which the single DIY sump required 3 sheets plus the time and effort to build it. YEAH ! many pennies saved.

(C) The last segment in the main system is the DSB in the 330g tank which shall have 5” DSB and utilize two opposing MP60s for turbulent and random flow. Hopefully these  shall create flow patterns that do not disrupt the DSB at the bottom.
 
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@ phi delt reefer  Tony Vargeus did a presentation on the Best Successful Reef Tanks, the NUMBER ONE factor involved is the “Spouse Factor”. Keep the wife its cheaper thann divorce and more rewarding. ;)

@Darryl_V    The system shall have a variety based on multiple tanks, but the main Display tank will be primarily a SPS Reef set up, to the fish shall be limited to reef compatibility. I figure I have about a year before I will be up, running and stablized to start with any major corals and special fish. I still have a lot to learn.

@Riddler and CrazyBizzle and Lewis    There is noot a lot to show for the time being. Working on temporary set up for curing/seeding the rock and my DSB, trying pumps, getting my Skimmer and Biofilter operational, so will be getting my feet wet over the next few months. When there is something more concrete to show, I would be happy to have a tour. 
 

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those are suppopsed to be dollar signs but my blackberry is foreign or something.

Definitly following along 
 
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Would definitely suggest you look into building that monster out of cell cast acrylic (lighter, stronger, better optical clarity, and easier to work with when compared to glass of similar thickness). Hope the kids are finished University cause you"ll be buying the equivalent to a Bachelors Degree at the least.....
 

Giglio324

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Giglio324 link said:
If you ever need a hand I would be glad to come help out. This looks awesome.  Dying for pictures
Just looked at the dates on this I'm a little behind lol. I couldn't find the thread on RC anyway
 
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