Livestock (fish) Origination

[Canadianeh]

I was watching a documentary on Netflix on fish business for aquarium hobby. It is an eye opening how they catch fish and where they come from. They come from countries such as Philippines, Indonesia, and etc. They also talked about how much these local people get per fish compare to how much they are selling here. The documentary also showed how the fish gets treated as well. Very informative doc.

To my point, many of them use chemical such as cyanide to catch fish, and this may decrease the survival rate on the fish when it reaches the end consumer's tank.

My question is which sellers in our forum such as Sustainable Marine Canada, Crazy 4 coral, Big Als, Bigshow, and etc. that do not buy fish that was caught using cyanide or chemicals that may harm fish and environment? Is there any dealers that specifically focus on environment by only selling captive-bred fish?

Please kindly do not turn this into ethical discussion and start judging one or the other. I just want to know the answer to that specific questions underlined above. (if you know of course) Just looking to see who offers "green" fish

 

[nathan]

I was watching a documentary on Netflix on fish business for aquarium hobby. It is an eye opening how they catch fish and where they come from. They come from countries such as Philippines, Indonesia, and etc. They also talked about how much these local people get per fish compare to how much they are selling here. The documentary also showed how the fish gets treated as well. Very informative doc.

To my point, many of them use chemical such as cyanide to catch fish, and this may decrease the survival rate on the fish when it reaches the end consumer's tank.

My question is which sellers in our forum such as Sustainable Marine Canada, Crazy 4 coral, Big Als, Bigshow, and etc. that do not buy fish that was caught using cyanide or chemicals that may harm fish and environment? Is there any dealers that specifically focus on environment by only selling captive-bred fish?

Please kindly do not turn this into ethical discussion and start judging one or the other. I just want to know the answer to that specific questions underlined above. (if you know of course) Just looking to see who offers "green" fish

We can start by saying that not all fish are captive breed or can be captive breed for the trade.it Is happening more and more where they are figuring out how to breed in captivity for more species. I also believe that it's very difficult to know how each fish is caught in general. We as either an lfs or a hobbyist need to do the best we can as being ethically responsible as possible. The coral trade is a fine example. More coral is being grown locally then ever before.

 

[EricTMah]

I was watching a documentary on Netflix on fish business for aquarium hobby. It is an eye opening how they catch fish and where they come from. They come from countries such as Philippines, Indonesia, and etc. They also talked about how much these local people get per fish compare to how much they are selling here. The documentary also showed how the fish gets treated as well. Very informative doc.

To my point, many of them use chemical such as cyanide to catch fish, and this may decrease the survival rate on the fish when it reaches the end consumer's tank.

My question is which sellers in our forum such as Sustainable Marine Canada, Crazy 4 coral, Big Als, Bigshow, and etc. that do not buy fish that was caught using cyanide or chemicals that may harm fish and environment? Is there any dealers that specifically focus on environment by only selling captive-bred fish?

Please kindly do not turn this into ethical discussion and start judging one or the other. I just want to know the answer to that specific questions underlined above. (if you know of course) Just looking to see who offers "green" fish

What's the name of the documentary?

Sony Xperia Z3

 

[Canadianeh]

What's the name of the documentary?

Sony Xperia Z3

I will get back to you. Some others also are interested. Can't remember on top of my head.

 

[EricTMah]

I will get back to you. Some others also are interested. Can't remember on top of my head.

Post back here when you do please.

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[BIGSHOW]

Our fish that are imported from either the Phillipines, Indo or Aussie are caught without the use of cyanide. This was the number one condition in our search for the best suppliers over seas. I can't speak for the other sponsors but I don't think they do direct imports of fish, rather buy from a wholesaler.

 

[LIttle Reef Keeper]

The amount of fisherman using cyanide to catch fish has decreased drastically over the past years. Especially TNT, I think that's completely gone from the aquarium hobby.

Reef Ontario refuse's to sell anything that have been caught with toxins, or caught "by the school". If I hear of a supplier mention that in their collection methods, im out right away!

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[BIGSHOW]

I find a lot of suppliers and wholesalers lie about where there fish come from which is why we ditch the middleman and go straight to the source. Only through a direct import can you be sure.

 

[LIttle Reef Keeper]

The Carribean, Hawaii, Australia and parts of Africa are by far the best for sustainable and desirable collection methods. However, RVS Fish World has been training fishing villages throughout Asia how to use nets instead of cyanide, and been doing a fantastic job!

Hawaii Collection:

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[Nonuser]

But don't most people only think about the price of the fish they are buying and little about the collection methods?

 

[LIttle Reef Keeper]

I find a lot of suppliers and wholesalers lie about where there fish come from which is why we ditch the middleman and go straight to the source. Only through a direct import can you be sure.

Well said sir

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[LIttle Reef Keeper]

But don't most people only think about the price of the fish they are buying and little about the collection methods?

And thats the problem. Many reefers won't pay the premium price for captive bred fish such as the yellow tang

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[Nonuser]

And thats the problem. Many reefers won't pay the premium price for captive bred fish such as the yellow tang

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It sad because they find a cheaply priced fish from a questionable source and then don't do the proper quarantine and then complain about it when it dies or infects their entire tank.

I'm not any better, but am learning that there are some places that their stock isn't a good deal at any price.

 

[scubasteve]

captive bred is nice but hard to come by and usually very expensive. Most places have stopped chemical use completely through laws and those that didnt have mostly been banned from import. Now mind you captive bred can mean net raised... true captive bred are referred to as tank bred. Some places even state tank raised which you might as well say they qt'd it lol.

One person asked why my seahorses were $100 and big als were $40 and expected me to match. Needless to say that didnt happen. Now a store buying tank bred would be super expensive or they would have no profit and we all feel the hydro cost so imagine trying to sustain a buisness in this hobby with huge tank volumes.

 

[Bayinaung]

Hi yeah this was certainly an issue a few years back with our local stores. I think we all can remember buying apparently healthy fish only to have them perish within weeks wtihout any apparent reason. In the past year or 2 I am finding survival rates are much better, even for more fragile species, based on my own experience and from what I have seen on forums.
I think Cyanide-sourced fish was a much more rampant issue a few years ago with our LFS sources than it is now. Let me know if anyone of you have made that observation.