I believe on CanReef it was determined with information direct from the manufacturers that the variable speed power suppliers are not certified in Canada.
....IIRC
....IIRC
anybody tried one of these
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I was actually surprised that Jebao has UL certifications for it's stuff.
You can look it up here: Just search Jebao and China
http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.html
Nothing came up on the ULc site, bu there is mention of Canadian certifications on the link I posted.
Honestly, If it passes UL, thats good enough for me.
You can look it up here: Just search Jebao and China
http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.html
Nothing came up on the ULc site, bu there is mention of Canadian certifications on the link I posted.
Honestly, If it passes UL, thats good enough for me.
Duke link said:
So what's your take on the reef octopus using the identical power supply?
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As Jerry said, it sure looks identical, but is it? As well, maybe Reef Octopus did there due diligence and had there power supply certified. Again, I don't know.
As I have said before I have no problem using either of them, with or without the certification, as Neo stated the likely hood of something happening is slim (this can be backed up by the amount of people using the pumps with no issues). However, as a seller you can be held liable for the products you sell.
unibob link said:
So what's your take on the reef octopus using the identical power supply?
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How is it identical?
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How is it not identical? The changed power adapter to reef octopus.. The manufacturer and everything else is identical..
its only a matter of time until you begin to see rebranded wp-40's being sold by the major hardware companys.. you dont think reef octopus and rlss arent going to cash in on the craze jabeo has brought?, Jabeo will be happy to rebadge them for anyone just like the DC pumps, im sure once the patent legalities are all settled and its found that while strikingly similar when you get down to techlicalities.. they are no infringements at all.
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power supply and controller look the same as my speedwave 1320 gph
http://www.advancedreefaquatics.ca/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=496&osCsid=9drdhts25jd2f2mo506pa5jf45
http://www.advancedreefaquatics.ca/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=496&osCsid=9drdhts25jd2f2mo506pa5jf45
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pulpfiction1 link said:
Photos like this make me feel so much better about the rats nest of wires I have behind my tank. At least I am not the only one who can't make heads or tails of all the cords behind my tank.... lol
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That'll bring the price down for sure.
Not to drag up an old topic...but I will LoL
I just spend the day really digging and this is what I found.
The pumps and controller do not need to be CSA approved as they run at less the 100v per OESC Rule 2-022(3) (c) specifies some exceptions (being: Class I hazardous locations are those in which vapours or gases may be present and Class II hazardous locations are those in which dust may be suspended in the air to the extent that explosive concentrations may be present) to electrical product approval requirements. Electrical equipment does not require approval if it connected to the load side of an approved Class 2 power supply whose power output does not exceed 100 V, (thanks to a fellow TFT member who posted info on another forum), either way, the pumps are CE approved.
The power source on the other hand is where the legal concern rises. The power source IS c UL US approved and c UL US is certified for use in Canada. (http://www.ul.com/canada/eng/pages/aboutus/). Jebao (jebao.com) is a major manufacture of pond and aquarium pumps. They have been around for over a decade and are the MAG drive pump of China, if you may.
BUT If you are really concerned with the CSA stamp you should also probably get rid of any wavelive/speedwave/diablo dc pumps, as well as, CADLights pumps are not certified from what I have read thus far.
So the only thing really remaining in question is if you want to use their legally branded c UL US power source, if you are worried about that, then you can get a CSA one and still be spending a fraction of the cost of a vortec product. That is of course if you can even find one on the market listed as CSA approved as my brand new Alienware 17 laptop from Dell came with a power source that is not labeled CSA approved, as well as all of my name brand external hard drives, Dlink router, wireless phone, canon video camera, Bell HD reciever, Samsung 46" LCD TV...etc etc, all not listed as CSA approved, only c UL US approved.
Link to Jebao's power source certification: (Source)
I just spend the day really digging and this is what I found.
The pumps and controller do not need to be CSA approved as they run at less the 100v per OESC Rule 2-022(3) (c) specifies some exceptions (being: Class I hazardous locations are those in which vapours or gases may be present and Class II hazardous locations are those in which dust may be suspended in the air to the extent that explosive concentrations may be present) to electrical product approval requirements. Electrical equipment does not require approval if it connected to the load side of an approved Class 2 power supply whose power output does not exceed 100 V, (thanks to a fellow TFT member who posted info on another forum), either way, the pumps are CE approved.
The power source on the other hand is where the legal concern rises. The power source IS c UL US approved and c UL US is certified for use in Canada. (http://www.ul.com/canada/eng/pages/aboutus/). Jebao (jebao.com) is a major manufacture of pond and aquarium pumps. They have been around for over a decade and are the MAG drive pump of China, if you may.
BUT If you are really concerned with the CSA stamp you should also probably get rid of any wavelive/speedwave/diablo dc pumps, as well as, CADLights pumps are not certified from what I have read thus far.
So the only thing really remaining in question is if you want to use their legally branded c UL US power source, if you are worried about that, then you can get a CSA one and still be spending a fraction of the cost of a vortec product. That is of course if you can even find one on the market listed as CSA approved as my brand new Alienware 17 laptop from Dell came with a power source that is not labeled CSA approved, as well as all of my name brand external hard drives, Dlink router, wireless phone, canon video camera, Bell HD reciever, Samsung 46" LCD TV...etc etc, all not listed as CSA approved, only c UL US approved.
Link to Jebao's power source certification: (Source)
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look at you go buddy,must be done for the week and sitting home bored lol
nice work
and on a side note,they are looking for peeps to work tomorrow if your bored hahahaha
nice work
and on a side note,they are looking for peeps to work tomorrow if your bored hahahaha
Long story short, these are legal in Canada.
I was advising someone on FB to grab one of these up for their flow issue in their tank and she said that her electrician husband said no. Which then got me to thinking and well...that blurb came from that. There is a final answer to anyone who wondered about the product. It IS 100% legal to use in Canada and meets all safety standards.
As for working tomorrow, no thanks, I have spent enough hours this week dealing with weather, I am happy to stay home.
I was advising someone on FB to grab one of these up for their flow issue in their tank and she said that her electrician husband said no. Which then got me to thinking and well...that blurb came from that. There is a final answer to anyone who wondered about the product. It IS 100% legal to use in Canada and meets all safety standards.
As for working tomorrow, no thanks
, I have spent enough hours this week dealing with weather, I am happy to stay home.
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pulpfiction1 link said:look at you go buddy,must be done for the week and sitting home bored lol
nice work
and on a side note,they are looking for peeps to work tomorrow if your bored hahahaha
wrorking weekends is goodpulpfiction1 link said:look at you go buddy,must be done for the week and sitting home bored lol
nice work
and on a side note,they are looking for peeps to work tomorrow if your bored hahahaha
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thats exactly right for torx
lol
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Duke link said:
Yes, I heard that too. Probably only because they have found that Jebao is already one step ahead of them on it and planning on releasing a multi pump controller. They probably also heard about how easy the pump itself can be modded to work with an Apex unit and going to piggy back the RA harness design only make the harness and pump 'theirs' before Jebao releases it.
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Torx link said:
Yes, I heard that too. Probably only because they have found that Jebao is already one step ahead of them on it and planning on releasing a multi pump controller. They probably also heard about how easy the pump itself can be modded to work with an Apex unit and going to piggy back the RA harness design only make the harness and pump 'theirs' before Jebao releases it.
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http://reefbuilders.com/2014/01/08/signs-point-neptune-systems-working-apex-pump/
teebone110 link said:
LoL, this is too funny, BIG Apex teaming up with Jebao...Vortech is probably shitting themselves atm.