Bristle Worm Eating Clam??

derrick orosz

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So I've had my clam for about 18 months...doing well and growing fast. Came to the tank this morning before work and it looked dead with the foot riped apart. It was living in the sand bed and when I moved it this morning to try and look at the foot a freakin huge bristle worm moved from under it. It had to be 10-11 inches so I grabbed it with the tongs and flushed it...but could it have attacked and killed it or was it most likely feeding on it dead already??
 

heath

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OMG, that is too bad and I HATE bristle worms, don't care if they are good for your tank, not in mine...I would get in touch with BigShow, he sells clams so maybe he could shed some light...
 

SamB

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Agree that bristleworms probably couldn't be the culprit. The worms are doing their job and cleaning up the dead, decaying tissue.

I would also like to know what type of clam this was. Maxima are rock boring and need to be on rock (obviously) or rubble of some sort. They need to "cement" their foot to the rock and they don't do well on the sand bed.

Finally, clams don't die "overnight" and generally deteriorate over a couple of weeks.

Sorry for your loss
 

derrick orosz

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What kind of clam is it?
squamosa clam.... im baffeled... everything is testing perfectly.... only thing im thinking is that the bristle worm coudnt really find any food and as it was huge before i flushed it, the clam in the sand bed was what it could find for food
 

derrick orosz

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Agree that bristleworms probably couldn't be the culprit. The worms are doing their job and cleaning up the dead, decaying tissue.

I would also like to know what type of clam this was. Maxima are rock boring and need to be on rock (obviously) or rubble of some sort. They need to "cement" their foot to the rock and they don't do well on the sand bed.

Finally, clams don't die "overnight" and generally deteriorate over a couple of weeks.

Sorry for your loss
i dont get it, I keep track of when i get everything and ive had it for a little over 18 months...yesterday it was fully open and looking gorgeous...not a sign of anything wrong... this morning dead...WTF
 

SamB

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Does seem confusing - generally not how clams pass on
Was it gaping or was its mantle retracted ?
 

derrick orosz

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nope and i was actually commenting to my wife saturday that the clam mantle was looking really big and i might have to move it soon as its getting really close to the glass
 

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squamosa clam.... im baffeled... everything is testing perfectly.... only thing im thinking is that the bristle worm coudnt really find any food and as it was huge before i flushed it, the clam in the sand bed was what it could find for food
check for pyramid snails, they are very tiny parasitic snails.
 

derrick orosz

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did some more looking at the bottom of the clam.... theres something on it...very small...mayb4 4-5mm...its a deep red=ish slug looking like creature.... so small i cant get a good pic of it
 

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In the wild, small tridacnid clams are heavily preyed upon. Many species of fish (triggerfish, large wrasses, puffers, etc.), crabs, lobsters, shrimp, polychaetes (Bristleworms, Fireworms, etc.), octopi, and snails prey on clams. Even burrowing sponges! Since most of the clams available to aquarists are juveniles, hobbyists should be extra cautious about both predators and environmental factors that can wreak havoc with a clam.
Fish Predators:
Certain wrasse species (Family Labridae) are bad tank mates. Species like the Twin Spot Wrasse Coris aygula and Bird Wrasse Gomphosus varius have been known to attack and devour juvenile clams in the aquarium. Sometimes the clam is eaten from above or knocked over and eaten through the soft and unprotected byssal opening. Any large wrasse species should be watched closely when introduced into a tank with giant clams.
Other fish can also irritate clams. Fish that are constantly grazing like as Centropyge sp. (Pygmy Angelfish), Ctenochaetus sp. (Chevron Tang, etc.) and Acanthurus sp. (Achilles Tang, etc.) Tangs, and Ecsenius sp. (Blennies) will occasionally nip at a clam in passing.
Sometimes small pieces of tissue are removed but the problem is that the clam is now irritated and it will expand less and less. It may eventually expand so little that it won't receive enough light and will slowly die.
Crab Predators:
Large crabs will eat clams and usually shortly after they are placed in the tank, before they can attach to the substrate. They attack the clam through the byssal opening, but larger crabs just crack the shells open.
Shrimp Predators:
Certain species of shrimp can also prey on clams. Large shrimp such as Marble Shrimp Saron marmoratus and Buffalo Shrimp Saron sp. will attack clams at night.
The common Cleaner Shrimp Lysmata amboinensis has been known to attack clams. It's rare, but it does happen, especially when the clam is injured and the shrimp hungry.
Snail Predators:
Parasitic snails are sometimes imported with tridacnid clams as mentioned earlier. Examine new clams closely and remove any snails or eggs right away.
Environmental factors:
A number of environmental factors can also irritate giant clams, creating potential problems:
Algae:
Algae is another problem for clams. If algae begins to grow over the lip of the shell, the mantle may become irritated and it will not expand as much.
Macroalgae:
Macroalgae like Caulerpa can irritate the clam from underneath if allowed to grow under the byssal opening. If this happens, the clam will produce large amounts of mucus from below that surrounds the base.
Clam Mucus:
Producing large amounts of mucus is a normal means of protection for the clam against algae, stinging corals, or predators. The mucus is thick, clear, and often contains brown patches (brown jelly). The effect of noxious by-products of soft corals (example: Xenia spp.) can also cause clams to produce large amounts of clear mucus. The mucus can quickly clog prefilters
Aiptasia anemones:
If Aiptasia are allowed to grow on tridacnid clams, they can reach underneath the mantle and sting the clam. This will result in the mantle pulling away and the clam will eventually die.
Clam worms:
Polychaete worms such as the larger Nereis sp. and Eunice sp. can prey upon tridacnids. They are usually active at night and feed on the clam from below, through the byssal opening or by boring a hole through the shell.


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derrick orosz

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check for pyramid snails, they are very tiny parasitic snails.

wow theres some smart people on this forum! i turned the lights off early tonight, gave the tank a hour or so then turned the lights back on...there was 4 of those F#%KIN little snails inside the remains of the clam! could those have come from the sps i bought this weekend? and more importantly what will eat those little #$&@ so i can get another clam??
 

scubasteve

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what were you feeding it. clams have a very demanding appetite and it may have been starved out. filter feeders can drain out free floating particles fast. they also require alot of light. typically if shrimp or snails are after it its already been on its way out for a bit. if healthy it should be able to protect itself from them
 

heath

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holy cow, that was an awesome article, thanks for sharing.. I was hoping to get a clam and I think that I need to some more reading, they are way too beautiful to be bait...is there a way to tell if you have those snails before adding a clam
 

derrick orosz

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what were you feeding it. clams have a very demanding appetite and it may have been starved out. filter feeders can drain out free floating particles fast. they also require alot of light. typically if shrimp or snails are after it its already been on its way out for a bit. if healthy it should be able to protect itself from them
its been sooooo healthy and growing a lot then boom...dead. i did find those snails around it so before i go drop a couple hundy at big shows on clams what will eat these snails?
 
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