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Okay. I know there has been a lot of debate around the forum regarding what the best camera and set up is. But, As a newbee, who is looking to buy a camera anyway, what features should I be asking for when I go to the camera shop. I've been told, first, find a camera that fits your hand. Could be a problem with that, as I have "bear paws" for hands. But if I want a camera to shoot frags, and family (maybe in that order of importance) will I need changeable lenses? I'm hoping for auto focus and a good tripod.

Let me know what each of you look for in a decent camera.

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You have a decision to make between ease of use and flexibility. If you want to take really good shots consistently, you can't do it with anything but a interchangeable lens camera. If you want convenience, and you want to be able to chronicle your tank's development or snapshot some coral a compact camera will do fine.

If you want to take pictures of small frags with great detail and minimal noise, that means you will want a macro lens, which is what you should be looking at alongside each camera (some companies have better lenses, or better suited lenses). Are you willing to take out your tripod and do very long photo sessions every single time, or would you want to be able to take pictures on demand, handheld? For me that was a huge selling point of companies that offer in-body image stabilization, my hands are shakier than most and with my Canon I could never do any handheld work. Now I can take high quality pictures without taking out my geared tripod and macro focusing rail.

If you need the image stabilization, that leaves you with Sony or Olympus, or the alternative of buying very expensive stabilized lenses. Personally, I would recommend a mirrorless camera with in-body stabilization. You can attach any lens to it (and it will be stabilized), which gives you a wide array of options for choosing lenses.
 

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Would these various lenses be auto focus? I use to have a fully manual Pentax 35 mm., and I hated the thing. Every thing always came out "4 beer" blurry.
 

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Any lenses that belong to the same mounting system would be automatic. Olympus and Panasonic have interchangeable lenses, so they would all autofocus on either body. Sony will autofocus Sony lenses. If you want to use Canon, Nikon or other lenses with auto focus, you need an expensive adapter. If I am on a tripod I never use the automatic functions, fully manual. Personally, I have an Olympus EM1 with a 60mm Olympus macro lens that I use for all my handheld shots. I also have a wide variety of Canon and Nikon macro lenses which I use on tripods with an adapter.
 

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Another thing to consider Pipes is "colour"
As different lights can make your corals look different, that can make it especially hard for people to see what corals truly look like when viewing if you are ever trying to sell them or need assistance with identification.
A camera that allows you to adjust the white balance could be very beneficial.
Just my 0.02 $ worth
 

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Thanks guys. It's an expensive purchase, so I was hoping to get some "pro's" opinions... Before I bought another camera I hate.
 

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There was a good Nikon for sale on the forum a couple weeks ago.
Buy a good quality camera and spend money on great lenses. Can always update the camera at a later time.
 

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I don't really agree with the traditional method of spending money on glass and swapping out your body, mostly because of the new in-body features available from other manufacturers. I had a T2i and spent a lot on very high quality canon macro lenses (100mm, 105mm, 65mm MP E, 180mm). No matter what Canon body I swapped to I still couldn't shoot anything handheld. I bought and returned a 7D and two 70Ds. The lack of image stabilization absolutely killed my desire to take pictures off a tripod. Now that I have in-body stabilization, I was forced to spend another $500 on an adapter to use those Canon lenses with full auto features on my Olympus. After buying the Olympus 60mm macro, most of my lenses go unused. It is a very compact configuration that allows me to take quality pictures in any environment, handheld.

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My hands were not comfortable on most of the mirrorless cameras. The extra grip on the EM1 really sold me. You can also get interchangeable grips for their cameras.

Also that setup is weatherproof/waterproof. I have dipped my lens in the tank, and soaked the camera in the rain. Not only are they totally fine, but they took great pictures all the while.
 
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Go somewhere like Henry's and pickup a few to see if you like the way they feel.
They also provide "gently used" equipment. Good way to get in the game.
 

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Wait till you hit the camera store.... I'm still looking and has been a while lmao boy has crap changed a lot with digital cameras.... So many options
I would never buy a camera from a place like Walmart. I learned a long time ago, to suck it up and buy quality. It hurts when you get the bill, but then you don't have to repeat the process every 2 years. I will be going to a camera shop, but never thought they might have used, newer equipment. I like having a warranty, AND customer support. Which is why I still appreciate and use my LFS. Cameras, to me, are expensive toys, but you get what you pay for. In this case, I just want to buy 1 once and maybe look at extra lenses down the road. In the mean time, I thank everyone for the advice. Now I just need to go shopping.
 

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Holy crap. Didn't realize that a half @$$ed camera would be over a grand. Things sure have changed in the last 15 years since I bought my last one. And it had nothing to go with it but body & lens... I buy a camera and there goes my tank money...Apparently plumbers don't get paid enough.
 

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You can do much better than that, probably looking at the high end stuff. A wonderful combo is the Olympus EM5 or EM10 and the 60mm macro lens. Another option would be the Canon T6S and their new macro lens, that's probably a little pricier. I tend to look for open box items at best buy which have a hefty discount and often have older cameras that would be great like the Canon 7D, Canon 70D, Olympus EM5, Olympus EM5 Mark II, Olympus EM10, Olympus EM1. It is harder to find the Sony stuff new, let alone open box. And the price ticket is much higher for comparable cameras. I am totally in the dark about current Nikon cameras.
 

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Next question. How do you shoot under water with out the lights reflecting, or seeing the glass?
 

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I typically shoot top-down or straight through the glass with all the pumps off. If I shoot underwater I use an underwater body, but I can't stabilize as well so they trade off, ends up being easier out of water.
 

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Next question. How do you shoot under water with out the lights reflecting, or seeing the glass?

I use a view box. It breaks the surface of the water as well, that way there is no ripple. This is taken with my Samsung Galaxy S6 cell phone with AZ Camera app (free app) and my Acrylic Viewing Box. Tank is 24" tall and these zoas are all in the first 8" from the bottom of the tank.

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Thanks. I should have thought of the view box. Duh... I was thinking along the lines of a black plastic tube, that goes over the lens.
 
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