Phosphate free mix containers in London?

[Zakk]

Turns out my rubbermaid tub was leeching tons of phosphates (1.15 ppm per day!), and for the life of me I can't find a place selling reef safe containers.... what are you guys using?  I found one at HD that had a '2' rating, but it was a blue rubbermaid, and I'm not risking the same thing again. 

 

[phi delt reefer]

glass or acrylic tanks will be your best bet.

even food safe containers are usually only "non leach rated" up to 70 degrees. If you store salt water in there it will be warmer.

 

[Blob-79]

I use a water storage container I got from TSC. Ive tested it every month or so since I got it and no leaching. If your going to go with a plastic type container imo food grade is not good enouph, as phi mentioned. You either want lab grade or something that is used for potable water. both are normally white or semi transparent I think. The TSC water storage containers are for potable water.

 

[teebone110]

Hey Blob,

I have been looking at TSC and they only have 25 gallon barrel type. Did you say that you found a 50gallon barrel type from them?

 

[Zakk]

25 gallon would be good enough, I don't do more than  40 gal water changes in a week.  They have potable ones in stock usually?

I never thought about the temp issue.  The tank is reading 82 deg right now with no heating, I think the makeup water is 79, which may contribute to the leeching. 

I guess I could go with a glass tank, but hard to find one that would fit as well as a barrel

 

[Blob-79]

Ya I was wrong back when I said I got a 50g....lol it looked like 50..but alas it is 25. I use it for RODI storage for my ATO and draw from it for my water changes. If your looking for a 50g, I have a couple lab grade 50g drums..but they are used, I will have to test to see if they have absorbed anything.

 

[crazybizzle]

shit ive been using a 30 gal food grade  plastic drum , didnt know it coukld leach if temp is over 7o.. i usually keep the water at 80 in there...

 

[Zakk]

I tested on a whim, used a ton of the reagent packets.  I just couldn't figure where all the damn phosphates were coming from.  I'm going to hit the tsc tomorrow and see if I can locate the drums.  What section are they in, and what is their normal use?

 

[teebone110]

If ur going to TSC, I think they keep them in the back. Maybe watch the sales flyer as these regularly go for 20-25% off.

 

[Cal_stir]

i have 2 rubbermaid garbage cans(the ones with the wheels).
can 1 is 2 years old, i have been using IO salt till about 2 weeks ago, I emptied the can(did not wash it) and have mixed 2 cans of RODI and H2Ocean at 1.025sg since.
can 2 is about 6 months old, is full of RODI and IO at 1.020sg, I was using for my phyto culture.
tested both cans with hanna checker twice

can 1 reads 0.00 ppm, both tests

can 2 reads 0.14 ppm, both tests

i keep can 1 heated to 78 degrees, and can 2 is at room temp
i don't think there is a problem with the cans unless can 1 is done leaching and can 2 is not.
i will be switching can 2 to H2Ocean in the near future, i will retest can 2 then.

 

[pulpfiction1]

im using the same cans i think,only mine has the bungee's to lock on the handles to keep out animals,been using for 2 yrs without any phosphate issues,i dont usually mix more than enough for a water change and the other houses live rock i dont use,for months at a time ,got from canadian tire

 

[Cal_stir]

mine have plastic handles that lock the lid on

 

[pulpfiction1]

lol  after a closer inspection i do have 2 with the wheels but i actually use those for the trash  lol  but the other 2 are same size without the wheels and bungees  and with cal and myself using these without issues,they might be a practical option for you

 

[Zakk]

Heh, I have the ones without bungees for my garbage, I can't imagine that they don't leech phosphate (and in that one case it does). 

I'm off to lowes tomorrow, TSC didnt have anything that you didn't have to special order.  I see some people use dog food bins with lids. 

I constructed a turf scrubber today, as I was able to find screen at michael's.  I pulled out the chaeto and realized it's heavier than it was when I got it on the 7th so at least it seems to be happy.  The chaeto now tumbles around in the bubbles and runoff from the scrubber.  I'll beat these damn phosphates yet.

Anyone know if the IO pails leech phosphate?  I plan to make up my water and leave them in those for the time being, I had to dump the 20 gal of mix in the rubbermaid bin. 

 

[Cal_stir]

rubbermaid garbage cans are made of Low Density Polypropylene, and does not contain phosphates.
LDPE is also used to make saran wrap, ziplock bags, and potable drinking containers.
LDPE is also the lowest leaching of all the plastics including acrylic, hence, it is food grade

 

[Zakk]

rubbermaid garbage cans are made of Low Density Polypropylene, and does not contain phosphates.
LDPE is also used to make saran wrap, ziplock bags, and potable drinking containers.
LDPE is also the lowest leaching of all the plastics including acrylic, hence, it is food grade

So they're a different material than the tough totes?

What about the rubbermaid 'brute' trash cans?  They seem a whole lot more solid than the wheeled ones... same stuff? 

 

[Cal_stir]

i didn't actually google them, but i'm pretty sure all rubbermaid cans are food grade.
i will check later

 

[pulpfiction1]

[quote author=Cal_stir link=topic=1228.msg7979#msg7979 date=1310870935]
rubbermaid garbage cans are made of Low Density Polypropylene, and does not contain phosphates.
LDPE is also used to make saran wrap, ziplock bags, and potable drinking containers.
LDPE is also the lowest leaching of all the plastics including acrylic, hence, it is food grade

So they're a different material than the tough totes?

What about the rubbermaid 'brute' trash cans?  They seem a whole lot more solid than the wheeled ones... same stuff?
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thats why i used the one without wheels for my water

 

[Zakk]

[quote author=Zakk link=topic=1228.msg7981#msg7981 date=1310873321]
[quote author=Cal_stir link=topic=1228.msg7979#msg7979 date=1310870935]
rubbermaid garbage cans are made of Low Density Polypropylene, and does not contain phosphates.
LDPE is also used to make saran wrap, ziplock bags, and potable drinking containers.
LDPE is also the lowest leaching of all the plastics including acrylic, hence, it is food grade

So they're a different material than the tough totes?

What about the rubbermaid 'brute' trash cans?  They seem a whole lot more solid than the wheeled ones... same stuff?
[/quote]

thats why i used the one without wheels for my water
[/quote]

Okay, well they're all over the place, maybe I'll take a chance and grab one if I can't find anything at Lowes.... at worst I can always use more trash cans!

 

[pulpfiction1]

i don't see all "over the place",the one with the wheels and the one without are the same,i think the one without the wheels actually holds a little more volume,the rubbermaid ones that is.