Polyp Bailout?

reeffreak

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Has anyone ever experienced this with their LPS? Last week I noticed my acan colony was starting to "fall apart" polyps were coming right out of the skeleton. Then today I noticed my green hammer, all 3 heads just fell out of the skeleton. Also another small acan frag was affected, I found its polyps at the back of the tank, they look fine, polyps whole.

After reading into what could cause this I found something called polyp bailout. If water quality is bad then this will happen. I tested twice the last week and found my readings normal for the most part, po4 is a little higher 0.08 ppm but I couldn't see that being why this is happening.

Any ideas of suggestions? 
 

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I have heard of some doing this when they want to pack up and relocate, due to water conditions or lighting.  My christmas favia sends out "buds" of itself fairly often, which is a pain because that stuff can really take over.  I've never seen a hammer just drop out of the skeleton before though (usually they just recede until they're gone).
 

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ive had a hammer drop a head before, but never everything at once, po4 is a bit high, but like you said i cant see that being the cause of it...
at one point in time my po4 was higher than 1.5 ppm and everything was 'fine'
 

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I don't believe it's dropping polyps to reproduce. I'm getting pretty frustrated with the tank the past couple months. I'm just wondering what the hell I should be doing lol.
 

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I had frogspawn and scans doing the bailout thing when I first switched from fish to reef but at that point I had everything wrong... Old bulbs, high po4, high nitrates.
 

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I'm really lost on what the issues could be . Whatever made its way into my tank months ago when my tank crashed, in guessing is still then culprit and sti effecting corals. None of my levels are out of wack.
 

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What about the lesser tested stuff?  Strontium iodine blah blah
 

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reeffreak link said:
I'm really lost on what the issues could be . Whatever made its way into my tank months ago when my tank crashed, in guessing is still then culprit and sti effecting corals. None of my levels are out of wack.

Any pests or anything?
How about brown jelly disease?
Just trying to brain storm for you
 

reeffreak

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I haven't tested for a any of those neo, maybe if I can find some kits in town I will try that.

Brandon .. No signs if any pests, I originally thought it was a wrasse or my yellow tang picking at shit, but neither of those are doing it.
No other pests that I've seen, I've have been lookin, no signs of brown jelly, I did notice this morning my gold torch is being affected as of now. This shits getting depressing.
 

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Although it can really be abything......i highly doubt it is something like strontium, iodine, or even more commonly tested potassium.....most highly successfully reefers will barely if ever test these. Sometimes the most common canbe overlooked. Are you sure about your salinity, temps, alk, ca, nitrates, possibly even ammonia...? What about ur rodi water? I have mentioned before that i had a crazy high salinity of 1.030+ earlier this year.....i am still bringing it back down....it is at 1.027 now.... this also caused a spike in alk, ca, mag.....i began to see acros rtn or stn eventually until problem was found....the salinity rose so slow and gradual that a lot of my corals were used to it....hell even the fiah did great....now as i am lowering it back down i am also seeing small issues.....i have seen the tissue necrosis on acros stop but just two days ago i have noticed another nice acro colony going stn from the base and looking fadrd in colour in general. Meanwhile other corals are thriving. Its all about stability..... delicate corals will have problems with params like salinity, alk, ca, fluctuating....there are many things that can cause this and the biggest problem is that by affecting one parameter directly, it can then affect other params indirectly....
What i am trying to say is that good change is still change. And change does not equal stability....
I really want all you guys to be successful so my best advice is go back to the basics.....forget about po4 even.... check the major params only and keep them stable. Develope a maintenance routine for your tank and stick to it.
It was a long way to being able to grow acros or even some other corals.....i learned a lot tho....i have watched my tank for so long that i can usually tell if i need to change my di media just by starting to see traces of algae lol...
Oh and i also need to say that by adding things which are good for the tank imo such as pellets, or prodibio (dont hate lol) or gfo or carbon or whatever might be good is still change. Especially pellets!!! Or pellets and prodibio and god knows what else  (cough,tony, cough haha) is going to have a major impact on your system. It could take 6-12 months for everythinng to stabilize and thats only if u keep it all STABLE. Probably a bunch of other things i should say too buy man it sucks typing on ur phone.... mind the basics, get a routine, test params as often as u can until the tests show matching results month after month after month after month and then maybe u can cut back to monthly because u have now developed a stable setup....
I will probably think of more to ramble on about later lol...
 

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I've been running pellets and gfo since day one. All parameters are bang on. Salinity is 1.026, calcium 440, Dkh is 8, po4 0.08ppm. I've double triple tested with sailfert and Hanna checkers. RODI water source is fine, been checked a few times. No ammonia and nitrates are not readable.
 

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Sounds like u have developed a clean setup directed towards keeping sps....
It is not uncommon to have issues with lps in these setups.... what are u feeding?
 

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My torch uip and died on my not too long ago, no reason I could see, probably just starved.  I spot feed the frogspawn only because the clownfish spawn in it, and the duncans because they look so appreciative.  Anything lps I don't feed, tends to die...
 

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Reef Hero link said:
Sounds like u have developed a clean setup directed towards keeping sps....
It is not uncommon to have issues with lps in these setups.... what are u feeding?

I spot feed all lps with reef roids, cyclopeeze and myisis 4x a week.
 

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reeffreak link said:
I haven't tested for a any of those neo, maybe if I can find some kits in town I will try that.

Brandon .. No signs if any pests, I originally thought it was a wrasse or my yellow tang picking at shit, but neither of those are doing it.
No other pests that I've seen, I've have been lookin, no signs of brown jelly, I did notice this morning my gold torch is being affected as of now. This shits getting depressing.
i think one of my red sea test kits has that kind of tester
 

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*sigh* Pat, perhaps we are just cursed.

I lost my Golden wall hammer over the span of this past week. Just receded till it was nothing but a skeleton.
 
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