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[Salty Cracker]

[quote author=Salty Cracker link=topic=2956.msg23994#msg23994 date=1345210931]
Not really cool, if you ask me.  clownfish pairs spend their lives in a 1x1 cube with a clay pot for a home, pumping out babies that are 'raised' inhumanely and unnaturally smashed together in huge groups, then stuffed into a plastic bag and sent who knows where (hay they're local!), to be dropped into a tank at a lfs (always the best environment for young fish) to THEN shuttled off to buyers with unknown fish keeping skills.

I know most captive clownfish are raised this way, but man, look at it, it's kind of effed up. 

So your saying you would rather pull them out of the ocean ? the more captive breeding and aquaculturing we see in this hobby the better for the little bit of reefs we have left , also benifits our hobby aswell having rarer peices grown out .
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No, I'm saying it would be nice if the pairs weren't in 1X1 cubes with a clay pot.  Why would you presume what I am 'saying' ?

 

[reeffreak]

have you had a pair of clownfish before ?? if so you wouldnt be worried about them being in small tanks ( which theose tanks that hold pairs look be around 15 gallon which is more then enough ) they find a spot to host and they will barely ever move a 6 in from that spot. local shipped would be better then across the world dont you think like most of the fish we see .

 

[Salty Cracker]

have you had a pair of clownfish before ??

Get to your point?

 

[reeffreak]

^^^^ READ^^^^

 

[reeffreak]

they also live in large groups in the wild by the way , these set-ups are a far cry from a puppy mill type of set-up , also by your ignorent replies and no answer to my question one would guess  you havent had a pair before .

 

[Salty Cracker]

Look, if you like the fish mill setup, good for you, but don't presume to put words in my mouth with a personal attack.  What's your problem anyway? 

 

[reeffreak]

Look, if you like the fish mill setup, good for you, but don't presume to put words in my mouth with a personal attack.  What's your problem anyway?

you have an issue with it ? Deal with it yourself or PM me  nobody wants to see your hissy fits publicly , there was no personell attack I asked a questions , thanks for coming out tho

 

[Salty Cracker]

hissy fit?

Ooookaaaayyyy.  Look, when you presume to know what I am saying, thinking or feeling, it's offensive, especially when I don't know you from the guy standing on the corner.  It's that simple.  I didn't say anything about raping the oceans, but you implied that's what I was saying.  That's a personal attack.  I don't like that fish mill setup, I don't think it's humane or cool and I don't think that warrants any kind of implication on my thinking.  It was out of line.

As for your ^^^READ^^^ comment...you totally modified it after you told me to read it, so I'm not sure if you want me to read the post there now, or your first "you ever had clownfish?" post.  ?

 

[Salty Cracker]

Oh, and PM sent...

 

[reeffreak]

Oh, and PM sent...

recieved , replied .

 

[Reef Hero]

[quote author=jerry_doucette link=topic=2956.msg23996#msg23996 date=1345211442]
Sounds like a puppy mill for fish. Lol it sucks in a way, but we would have never seen these types of clowns if they weren't mass bred for selection purposes to keep the strain going.

agreed, I'm def not a fan of puppy mills either.  I did 6 months of research to find my dog's breeder.  Was able to meet the dog's parents, saw paperwork on the grandparents, saw where the puppies were raised, and the breeder had to come to my place to make sure it was satisfactory!  It would be nice to think all pets were bred this way.
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So you got a top of the line dog that had a top of the line life......if you are so against puppy mills why did you not adopt one that has been saved from a puppy mill or from the humane society? I do not understand your theory here...... The dog you bought I'm sure would have had a great life whether you bought him or not. Most dogs unfortunately do not have this luxury and it is unfortunate to see people go out and spend huge money on dogs from breeders when there are ones who need to be adopted into homes and cared for. I agree with you on one thing and that is that it would be nice if all dogs were bred in a humane way but most aren't and if you really want to save a dogs life then go adopt one that needs your help, not one that is already living a great life as it is. BTW you cannot compare breeding dogs and breeding clownfish......extremely different!! Most dogs in puppy mills are all artificially inseminated.....the young live in small cages with no play time, little food or water, and usually sit in their own pee and poo. If they get sick or don't look well what do you think happens...?

 

[Reef Hero]

Heart worm can also become a major issue in puppy mills.......they are not properly cared for at all.
I suggest you do more research before trying to compare the two extremely different types of breeding.

 

[Salty Cracker]

[quote author=Salty Cracker link=topic=2956.msg23999#msg23999 date=1345217813]
[quote author=jerry_doucette link=topic=2956.msg23996#msg23996 date=1345211442]
Sounds like a puppy mill for fish. Lol it sucks in a way, but we would have never seen these types of clowns if they weren't mass bred for selection purposes to keep the strain going.

agreed, I'm def not a fan of puppy mills either.  I did 6 months of research to find my dog's breeder.  Was able to meet the dog's parents, saw paperwork on the grandparents, saw where the puppies were raised, and the breeder had to come to my place to make sure it was satisfactory!  It would be nice to think all pets were bred this way.
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So you got a top of the line dog that had a top of the line life......if you are so against puppy mills why did you not adopt one that has been saved from a puppy mill or from the humane society? I do not understand your theory here...... The dog you bought I'm sure would have had a great life whether you bought him or not. Most dogs unfortunately do not have this luxury and it is unfortunate to see people go out and spend huge money on dogs from breeders when there are ones who need to be adopted into homes and cared for. I agree with you on one thing and that is that it would be nice if all dogs were bred in a humane way but most aren't and if you really want to save a dogs life then go adopt one that needs your help, not one that is already living a great life as it is. BTW you cannot compare breeding dogs and breeding clownfish......extremely different!! Most dogs in puppy mills are all artificially inseminated.....the young live in small cages with no play time, little food or water, and usually sit in their own pee and poo. If they get sick or don't look well what do you think happens...?
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Actually looked into the whole rescue thing for about a week.  Thing is, with a 4 young kids in the house, I had to be as sure of the temperament as possible. You can't get any kind of guarantee with a rescue dog, breed, intelligence, temperament etc.  If it was just me, then absolutely I would have found a rescue dog (my wife's friend is a vet, and two friends of mine run a dog rescue, and both really push mutts and rescue dogs).  I needed a dog that 1) I was pretty sure of its train-ability, intelligence, temperament and 2) that I could return it if there was a problem.  Most quality breeders will take back dogs if there's a problem or incompatibility.  That said, and no offense, but I don't need to justify my dog purchases to you do I?


I will say that I do have to take back my words however, as I looked up "clownfish in the wild" and lookee what I found...looks like it is a natural habitat afterall.  ;D

 

[Salty Cracker]

Heart worm can also become a major issue in puppy mills.......they are not properly cared for at all.
I suggest you do more research before trying to compare the two extremely different types of breeding.

Yes sir!

 

[Reef Hero]

If you don't want me to comment on your dog purchase then don't post on a forum about it trying to make yourself sound like a hero for buying a top bred dog just because you can afford to. Ignorance is bliss!

 

[Salty Cracker]

If you don't want me to comment on your dog purchase then don't post on a forum about it trying to make yourself sound like a hero for buying a top bred dog just because you can afford to. Ignorance is bliss!

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Dude, I was explaining my personal knowledge on dog breeding.  It was relevant.  If I had made an offhand comment about puppy mills someone might have said "WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT PUPPY MILLS?!?!?!"  I just thought I'd verify my position as someone who did a fair bit of research instead of heading to the local petsmart and grabbing a puppy under glass like some would buy a doughnut (or a clownfish).  If you took that as boasting, that's your misconception, not mine.  I spent more time looking into dog breeds and how dogs are spent than I did buying a new car, because it was important.  I learned a lot about puppy mills, local suppliers, home breeders, the whole shebang.  And what I found out made me want to know how the whole line of dogs had been bred and treated.  The only feasible way to do this is through documentation, verification and personal inspection.  Lastly, how do you know I didn't re-mortgage my house to get the dog? Please don't assume, you don't know a thing about me.  However, if you would like to know something, please feel free to inquire. 

 

[unibob]

Most puppy mills hire "breeders" to sell there pups, and all dogs can be trained regardless of past/breed or anything.

If you buy from a puppy mill you are supporting them, if you rescue it is a different story.

I'm not saying anyone here has a puppy mill dog, just trying to shed some light on the subject.


The Amish are the most well known for running puppy mills, trails end in London has invaded by humane society on numerous occasions. I even know people like you and me that will go in there and just take the dogs.

 

[Reef Hero]

I apologize but I do think you made an off hand comment about fish breeding and how you compared it to puppy mills......you don't appreciate my comments and I'm sure most fish breeders don't appreciate yours.

 

[Reef Hero]

Btw I am not a fish breeder.

 

[unibob]

I apologize but I do think you made an off hand comment about fish breeding and how you compared it to puppy mills......you don't appreciate my comments and I'm sure most fish breeders don't appreciate yours.

I was the one who mentioned puppy mill, I said it looks like one.