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vdubz

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I just picked up these 3 reactors and pumps from that kijiji deal that nexusnight told us all about.  $100! Question is...what now? 
  Obviously toss whatever is in them and clean with vinegar? What should I put in it? He gave me his leftover Nitrogen Sponge and Reef Carbon, both by Kent Marine.  I'm sure I should get some gfo for the 3rd one...not sure if I need nitrogen sponge, as my refugium is full of chaeto and a mangrove...
 

Poseidon

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looks like pellets, gfo, and carbon to me...
not bad choices to copy IMO
its what i run on my tanks
 

theyangman

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Wow, three 150 reactors with three maxijets for 100 bucks is a steal. Two of those reactors alone brand new would have been close to 100 with taxes....

Nice score!

You can do carbon, GFO, and biopellets in the third, but if you are running a refugium with mangroves, these become sort of redundant for GFO and and biopellets.....
 

vdubz

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I use chemi-pure at the moment. I would get rid of that too, right? Once I got the reactors up and running?
Hangman, are you saying with a refugium I would only need to run carbon?
 

theyangman

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The entire idea of a reactor was to be able to move beyond having a refugium in the first place. AKA: It is redundant.

Your fuge removes nutrients via the algae you grow. (or that is the idea anyways) so some of us now run bio pellets and GFO in our reactors instead of having a fuge. Less maintenance, looks cleaner, etc....

That being said, the fuge also is a nice place for you to grow pods and other little critters that help feed your ecosystem in the tank and reactors do not give you this ability. So keep that in mind, but any established tank should have a steady supply growing anyways.

The mangroves have a more split camp in what they actually do in an aquarium and whether or not they are worth the hassle. You have to clean the leaves constantly and make sure they don't fall back into the fuge and so on. So is the maintenance worth the benefits? I have read many arguments for both sides and the general consensus seems to be blah at best.
 

theyangman

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That being said, so GFO and bio pellets are redundant to your fuge as it sits right now, but carbon is different. Carbon helps "polish" the water a little bit, helping it look "clearer" and reduces the smell of your tank as well. It is more cosmetic than anything from my research.

It can help remove certain unwanted organics, medications, and heavy metals as well.
 

pulpfiction1

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Redundant? Hardly, I could have sworn we had this discussion a few weeks ago. I don't know how big your tank is for the size of your refugium
And with the amount that at TLF 150 would hold you would probably be well served running all of it. Pellets GFO and a refugium

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theyangman

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pulpfiction1 link said:
Redundant? Hardly, I could have sworn we had this discussion a few weeks ago. I don't know how big your tank is for the size of your refugium
And with the amount that at TLF 150 would hold you would probably be well served running all of it. Pellets GFO and a refugium

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I think the conversation, last week was more or less what was better. lol.

Bottom line it IS redundant.

I never said however that redundancy is a bad thing.

BUT!!!


If his tank is running nice and smooth right now, with all the levels in the proper ranges, I wouldn't add bio pellets and gfo. If his fuge is doing the job perfectly fine, then I vote to KISS. Add the carbon and call it a day. Why add something that might upset the balance and screw things up even further.
 

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@theyangman
You can't honestly say that just because you have a refugium and grow some mangroves, chaeto, etc in there that it would not be necessary to also run GFO or some sort of ULNS method...the only way to know for sure is to test for po4 and nitrates.... Which are two very different things btw. I run GFO, carbon, and prodibio very hard to achieve zero readings and I can still grow chaeto naturally in my overflow prefilter boxes....


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pulpfiction1

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redundant ?  not!! fact is bio pellets arent the magic pill that cures all nitrates and phosphates and or are they a direct replacement for a good refurgium,anyone that thinks this is so is only fooling them selves,yes ,they do help control nitrates and phosphates but the key word is help,
a refurgium not only provides shelter to pods and other small life but it exports nitrates as well.
every little bit helps in good husbandry and to say one is the same as the other so it makes no sense to utilize both is wrong,but 8 months ago you were killing everything you touched and now your the randy holmes of nutrient control and export (gotta love google),there is nothing redundant about using pellets and having a refrugium
 

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Hmmm interesting debate.

Vdubz... Your tank is doing amazing now isn't it? Everything is growing and healthy correct?
So my question is why bother to change anything ?

Like tony said, if your refugium is currently working and your tank is happy,Leave well enough alone
Just my 5 cents
:)
 

nexusnight

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Good score I'd run Gfo and carbon. Go easy on the Gfo not to totally strip ur tank of all phos. I ran pellets and they were a headache in my tank. Every tank seems to respond different to pellets but at least with a fuge ur creating more of that natural ecosystem we strive for.
In the end of ur nitrate and phos levels are on check with the use of Gfo and a fuge leave the pellets at the store lol. Carbon is always good to use for water clarity and IMO a must if it running a mixed reef. Even if u only run that reactor one week outta a month.





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pulpfiction1

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vdubz link said:


I just picked up these 3 reactors and pumps from that kijiji deal that nexusnight told us all about.  $100! Question is...what now? 
  Obviously toss whatever is in them and clean with vinegar? What should I put in it? He gave me his leftover Nitrogen Sponge and Reef Carbon, both by Kent Marine.  I'm sure I should get some gfo for the 3rd one...not sure if I need nitrogen sponge, as my refugium is full of chaeto and a mangrove...
actually he didnt say what shape it was in at the beginning,no the less i just felt it not correct to give mis information IMO and if the tank has all levels in check he should just leave it along but i beleive he was asking what he could run in the reactors

thats the end of my rant for today,he has options to run the reactors and if he is trying to achieve a ULNS system  to grow high end sps sucessfully he will need all the resources available
 

pulpfiction1

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nexusnight link said:
Good score I'd run Gfo and carbon. Go easy on the Gfo not to totally strip ur tank of all phos. I ran pellets and they were a headache in my tank. Every tank seems to respond different to pellets but at least with a fuge ur creating more of that natural ecosystem we strive for.
In the end of ur nitrate and phos levels are on check with the use of Gfo and a fuge leave the pellets at the store lol. Carbon is always good to use for water clarity and IMO a must if it running a mixed reef. Even if u only run that reactor one week outta a month.





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+1
 

theyangman

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@theyangman
You can't honestly say that just because you have a refugium and grow some mangroves, chaeto, etc in there that it would not be necessary to also run GFO or some sort of ULNS method...the only way to know for sure is to test for po4 and nitrates.... Which are two very different things btw. I run GFO, carbon, and prodibio very hard to achieve zero readings and I can still grow chaeto naturally in my overflow prefilter boxes....


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You guys are both extrapolating my comments into things I never said.

IF his tank parameters are under control with the refugium, then I said why not just keep it simple and leave things alone. If things are running smoothly, why rock the boat and start adding things that are already under control? If his testing shows acceptable levels of phosphates and nitrates, then if I were him, I'd leave stuff be. If it ain't broke why fix it?

pulpfiction1 link said:
redundant ?  not!! fact is bio pellets arent the magic pill that cures all nitrates and phosphates and or are they a direct replacement for a good refurgium,anyone that thinks this is so is only fooling them selves,yes ,they do help control nitrates and phosphates but the key word is help,
a refurgium not only provides shelter to pods and other small life but it exports nitrates as well.
every little bit helps in good husbandry and to say one is the same as the other so it makes no sense to utilize both is wrong,but 8 months ago you were killing everything you touched and now your the randy holmes of nutrient control and export (gotta love google),there is nothing redundant about using pellets and having a refrugium

And you are going off on some sort of tangent that I can't even continue to argue with. I never said he wasn't allowed to run it. I never told him NOT to run it. What the hell are you going on about? If pellets and GFO couldn't alone help you get your phosphates and nitrates down to acceptable levels then I don't know what to tell you. There are several of us on here that have found success with pellets and GFO and no refugium.

I never claimed to be Randy or know as much as he does, (I don't think anyone actually knows more than him) but I never told him it was WRONG to run both, and I never told him NOT to run both. I just said they do the same thing and chase after the same nutrients, and that if his tank was running good as is, then perhaps leaving things alone right now is the answer.

IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.

8 months ago I was getting crushed by the hobby cause that was a lesson I never bothered to learn back then. Then recently I stabilized a few things and moved forward. Also 8 months ago I was about 5 months into the hobby for the first time too jackass. Good job trying to use that against me here, but whatever if your argument hinges on bringing up history and name calling by all means.

I guess I should have hired you to set up my tank and do everything for me, as you are clearly the natural born leader of reef tanks. You just jumped in and never suffered any losses or anything I guess. Must be nice to have that Midas touch.
 
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