Tired Of The Build And They Will Come Mentality

Sidewaze

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First off I had/have reservations about posting this and naming companies but I feel I have to say my peace. I have been involved in retail sales and have had previous businesses. First off customer service before, during and AFTER the sale are the utmost important thing. Let me also add that being I live in Chatham its a lot easier to buy in the U.S. or online then travelling to London. I'm also tired of reading and people saying support your local store but guess what I work hard to earn my money so should any retailer. My first recent bad experience involves IA back in late July early august I was looking for a new skimmer and ordered a Reef Octopus Regal 170Int plus a Blonde Naso, 2 boxes of RC and a mag test kit. I was told a couple weeks approx end August and wasn't concerned and understood. Few weeks go by and I call to see status and was told the that nothing had come in (except test kit stock) and now being told the end of Sept. Some bullshit answer about his Toronto warehouse, I know it's not his warehouse but supplier seriously how stupid do you think I am. So the end of Sept comes and I send an email with now reply so I call later the next day as I'm on nights. Say hi intro myself and Bill says oh ya got your email it's the end of September so you still want and my reply is thats the reason for the email and the call. So I'm told it should be here in the next week or two and told me he has emailed supplier and they haven't replied. At this time he's having a special on some fish and ordered three (still no salt or Blonde). So the aim to pickup is Thanksgiving weekend which is roughly two weeks. Now with my work schedule and being in Chatham I like to optimise my travel and plan other shopping. So I call AGAIN on the Friday before and still nothing but told hopefully next wednesday. Disappointed once again I say ok keep in mind nothing has come in except that fish special. So I call the following Wednesday and still nothing and was told to check back and still no concrete answers but bullshit about import and other customers waiting who have paid in full. Doesn't explain the salt or the blonde so I ask about the other fish I ordered from the sale and he tells me he doesn't keep fish. Holy hell after all the crap I've waited for you can't keep a few fish for me. Seriously you can't go a little further to please a customer. Now I realize I've only spent roughly a grand a year since starting in this hobby but coming soon I'll have more spare money to spend and guess who isn't getting any of it let alone anymore. Now I have left out some details and this is a readers digest version and I did want to change model to the 200SSS but would take the other if an issue. Now at this point I have decided to no longer do business with IA. Now in between I was talking to Sealife but sorry I hate having to call back to get a price on a skimmer or any product because a certain person isn't in. If you or your employees don't know how to get a price and delivery its time you teach them or they learn on their own. Like I said I've been in the sales world and usually have only one shot to get the sale. So I call back and Gary was helpful and more my issue because I was on nights. So the wife and I had to go to London and we stopped in and i dropped about $150 and ordered a Blonde and a Purple tang. I offered a deposit while leaving my number and size I wanted and was told no and about two weeks. Well I call yesterday almost four weeks later and was told they have purples in but no blondes. I told whomever answered that I ordered both almost four weeks ago and haven't heard anything back. I'm spending the money I shouldn't have to chase my order down these aren't 15.99 fish. Anyway spoke to Gary yesterday and after some prodding he kinda remembered me and was told he would look into it right away and get back to me. As of right now 12:30 I haven't heard back. Now I hear complaints about crossing the border to shop and the hurt of online sales but as far as I'm concerned I've been pushed to them. Retailers you have to work harder for my money with the economy and the way we're taxed all customers deserve better respect but hay if you don't want my spare money there is someone who does.

I'm sorry to rant but I'm just tired of trying to spend my money on local/canadian business and getting crappy service unless you're there. This thread isn't to offend anyone but I've had enough, I've given chance after chance. Retailers take notes, dates and call your customers with info good or bad I shouldn't have to chase you. Looks like I'm online and cross border only now.
 

Poseidon

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SW Ontario
I have heard enough bad things about IA to fill a book,
Sealife is newer, and I've heard more good then bad, but still enough bad to make me look differently...

I have no qualms with you saying this! It's good to jnow
 

EricTMah

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Kitchener, Ontario
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www.aquariumsbydesign.ca
Yikes! I'd be pretty pissed as well.

Customer service should be top priority considering you can buy the product anywhere. When I shop for anything. I don't mind paying a bit more if I get the service I'm looking for.

As defense (and not to take anything away from your complaints). But for fish orders. It really is hit and miss for most retailers in Canada. Unfortunately, most fish suppliers take care of their local guys first. Which is all in the states. Canadian stores get the short end of the stick. We get short shipped all the time.

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Sidewaze

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chatham
Yikes! I'd be pretty pissed as well.

Customer service should be top priority considering you can buy the product anywhere. When I shop for anything. I don't mind paying a bit more if I get the service I'm looking for.

As defense (and not to take anything away from your complaints). But for fish orders. It really is hit and miss for most retailers in Canada. Unfortunately, most fish suppliers take care of their local guys first. Which is all in the states. Canadian stores get the short end of the stick. We get short shipped all the time.

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Yikes! I'd be pretty pissed as well.

Customer service should be top priority considering you can buy the product anywhere. When I shop for anything. I don't mind paying a bit more if I get the service I'm looking for.

As defense (and not to take anything away from your complaints). But for fish orders. It really is hit and miss for most retailers in Canada. Unfortunately, most fish suppliers take care of their local guys first. Which is all in the states. Canadian stores get the short end of the stick. We get short shipped all the time.

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TORX

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As frustrating as it can be waiting for an order, especially when we have at least an hour drive one way, I understand that sometimes things do not come in or do not make the trip successfully. But they know that a customer ordered, the order didn't come in. Only proper to contact the customer when something didn't come in as planned.

On a side note, Joes one stop reef shop is open and just across from the Pines, go check him out. Should be getting another order of fish in next week.
 
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EricTMah

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you missed the point i understand things happen but just call the customer and keep them informed good or bad but to have the paying customer chase is wrong
Oh. I completely agree and I'm not defending any store. But I'm just pointing that out.

I'd completely agree that with your experience that you had. Someone definitely dropped the ball

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yveterinarian

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Innerkip, Ontario
So sorry to hear about your experiences and wish it could have gone better. No one likes to be left out of the loop and good customer service should always involve contacting the customer and letting them know what is happening, good or bad. Lately I haven't done much shopping because I have been too busy raising my seahorses but when I was shopping I, so far, have not had any bad experiences, touch wood. This summer I ordered some dwarf seahorses from Florida and they are beautiful. It is the first and only time I have ever done something like that and would love to bring other varieties of seahorses into Canada but CITES and Canada Customs is often a problem.
I feel your frustration and never be afraid to express an opinion here. We all need to know so we, also, can make informed decisions about where to shop.
 

saltyair

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Oct 29, 2014
Location
Kingston, Ontario
Yea dry goods in this hobby should not be advertised unless available or with an understanding it could take time to get. I have no idea who iA is - but to defend retailers and wholesalers bit - livestock is not always easy to get and some fish have seasons. These are live animals and sometimes a shipment can fail in transport. I waited for a male trigger for almost 3 months, in the end was worth it because it was healthy and eating. I do feel for some of the guys that go into this biz - I have a good supplier here in ktown - but also know that he has lost his shirt on livestock. I guess
all I'm saying is understand that livestock is not easy to deal with and we all have stories about getting fish and them not eating and dieing or have some issue. Don't just buy it because you ordered it, be sure its healthy. A good retailer will not sell till it eats. (Will extend your wait)
 
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yveterinarian

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Also, in defense of IA any fish that I have purchased from there Bill always does a hyposalinity treatment on them for me and keeps them a little longer to make sure they are healthy before I come in to pick them up. I do sometimes have to ask when they are ready but he has always let me know when they are in. I have never ordered any equipment from him so can't speak to that issue.
It is not only the fish that Sidewaze had issues with, it was equipment and salt as well and there is no excuse for keeping someone stringing along forever without letting them know what is happening.
 

Sidewaze

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Yea dry goods in this hobby should not be advertised unless available or with an understanding it could take time to get. I have no idea who iA is - but to defend retailers and wholesalers bit - livestock is not always easy to get and some fish have seasons. These are live animals and sometimes a shipment can fail in transport. I waited for a male trigger for almost 3 months, in the end was worth it because it was healthy and eating. I do feel for some of the guys that go into this biz - I have a good supplier here in ktown - but also know that he has lost his shirt on livestock. I guess
all I'm saying is understand that livestock is not easy to deal with and we all have stories about getting fish and them not eating and dieing or have some issue. Don't just buy it because you ordered it, be sure its healthy. A good retailer will not sell till it eats. (Will extend your wait)

I understand that shit happens but once again what I'm saying is communication!!!!!!!!!! I offered a deposit in person when I placed the order and after spending money. I think makes me a very serious customer. I was told two weeks and he took my name and number, So I figured I would receive a call when the fish came in. Now almost four weeks later I have to call them to find out they have the purple but not the other. Do I not at least deserve a phone call to say they're in. Then I'm told it was going to be look into still till now no reply. Seriously to buy that fish four me is eight hours of work before taxes after another story(purple only). Just over the two hour round trip plus gas and wear and tear of my vehicle. I think I deserve a phone call. Why take my name and number. Thats all I'm saying. I didn't make this post at two weeks on the spot not even three weeks. It will be four weeks this sunday as I work every other weekend.
I understand if things are out of season just tell me. It's not life or death just tell me. I was once responsible $4 million in sales of a company that had a 7 million annual sales budget. I know sales. Think about it if you as a retailer want 5k a year from me think of how hard I have to work for that money. Now work for yours too. A phone call or email isn't much work and all I ask.
 

saltyair

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Don't get me wrong communication is key and I agree there should have been a call. I'm also in the b to b sales game. Follow up is very important.
All I was adding is livestock is variable for those who might not understand the process it takes to get these animals.
Thank you for sharing and it does show that your biz was not important imo. Hope you get your deposit back.




I understand that shit happens but once again what I'm saying is communication!!!!!!!!!! I offered a deposit in person when I placed the order and after spending money. I think makes me a very serious customer. I was told two weeks and he took my name and number, So I figured I would receive a call when the fish came in. Now almost four weeks later I have to call them to find out they have the purple but not the other. Do I not at least deserve a phone call to say they're in. Then I'm told it was going to be look into still till now no reply. Seriously to buy that fish four me is eight hours of work before taxes after another story(purple only). Just over the two hour round trip plus gas and wear and tear of my vehicle. I think I deserve a phone call. Why take my name and number. Thats all I'm saying. I didn't make this post at two weeks on the spot not even three weeks. It will be four weeks this sunday as I work every other weekend.
I understand if things are out of season just tell me. It's not life or death just tell me. I was once responsible $4 million in sales of a company that had a 7 million annual sales budget. I know sales. Think about it if you as a retailer want 5k a year from me think of how hard I have to work for that money. Now work for yours too. A phone call or email isn't much work and all I ask.
 

sunnykita

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Woodstock, Ontario
Sidewaze, it's a shame that you had 2 bad experiences shopping in London or attempting to shop in London. There is no excuse for not receiving a call to say the one fish was in. I can say that I know of extenuating circumstances that may have played a part in this scenario with Sealife. My experience has been exactly the opposite. They have gone above and beyond all my expectations. They are currently boarding 5 of my large fish while I am in transition between tanks and even though they have huge changes taking place they have extended the boarding period for me when it wouldn't be expected.
 

reefdiver

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I generally don't get involved or post in the forums other than our own section for many reasons.
But, Sunnykita was kind enough to point this out to me.
I appreciate the constructive criticism and I will and already am taking steps to improve the issue. As she said, there are some complexities at the moment but those are for us to deal with and not the issue of the consumer, therefore, that should not preclude customer service and for that I do apologize.

I could sit here and make excuses about the difficulties of a brick and mortar store as Im sure our competition could as well, but I'm not going to to do that.
I think it's important to examine things every now and then and assess what you do well and what can be improved and that is being done.



Again, thank you for your comments.
Ian
Sealife Central
 
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