Which Salt? Help Me Make Up My Mind

Skim

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Well for now I am a Salinity user because its numbers come close to what is on the pail, with in the fudge factor of the test kits. You have to remember some of the kits can out by as much as 20%. When I mix about 15 gal. of water it takes 6.5 - 7 cups, I was using double that before to get 1.026 or 36 ppm this is what impressed me the most and that the mix is mixed for 1.026 or 36 ppm so you are not getting 500 ppm Cal reading because you mixed at 1.026/36 ppm and not getting an Alk reading of 14 or higher. A large bucket lasts quite a while in comparison to many of the box salts.
 

Cliff

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Well for now I am a Salinity user because its numbers come close to what is on the pail, with in the fudge factor of the test kits. You have to remember some of the kits can out by as much as 20%. When I mix about 15 gal. of water it takes 6.5 - 7 cups, I was using double that before to get 1.026 or 36 ppm this is what impressed me the most and that the mix is mixed for 1.026 or 36 ppm so you are not getting 500 ppm Cal reading because you mixed at 1.026/36 ppm and not getting an Alk reading of 14 or higher. A large bucket lasts quite a while in comparison to many of the box salts.
And that's what makes price comparisons even harder! It's easy to price per bucket but some salts use less to make the same salinity. So initially you think hey it's twice as much money. But really to get a proper perspective you have to break it down price per gallon of mixed water if u could do that lol
 

Canadianeh

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We discussed this in another thread not too long ago I believe. I just tested with new test kits (salifert, and Hanna for Alk), and all came out as indicated on the box. I have to imagine they are from the same batch you have, so I have no real explanation for you unfortunately. As mentioned at the time, if you had concerns, you certainly should have and hope you did bring them up to Dave or Darren. Baring that, the owner of FM, is fairly accessible via email.

I have not used AF, but for everyone touting it, especially with "evidence" from Europe, there is equal amounts of that evidence coming out of Europe with the FM.

I can tell you this. I do not profess to know a great deal about salt, and how one is better, IF one is better, BUT I do know more than my fair share of sales, and marketing, and to that end, general business. Don't kid yourself people, you are seeing a ton of stores carrying the AF now for a reason, and it's not because it is better. That company is a marketing company first, and a manufacturer of products second. Profit is what is driving this machine, simple as that. So my thought process goes this way. If this stuff is actually coming from Europe, how have they managed to get it here for half the money of other overseas manufacturers. Answer is obvious, they can't. Now if it is a 3rd the price to buy at a cost level, then there is your answer. Margin, margin margin. I give them credit on their branding however, it is phenomenal.

I don't know what went wrong but it is frustrating after going through several test kits. I contacted Claude from FM Germany already.

Aquaforest now become more available than Fauna Marin. I don't have to deal with shipping fee. It could be marketing or whatever else that make it more popular and more available, but how do we know if a great product exist without marketing directly from the company or mouth to mouth? And what is the benchmark? How do we measure that FM is better than AF, and vice versa.

What I know now is:
  1. I can get Aquaforest in Toronto just like IO,
  2. I don't have to deal with shipping fee
  3. I don't have the same test results of what the manufacturer's specs
  4. It is a bit cheaper
I agree with you that the "evidence" from Europe is equal amounts between FM and AF. However, AF more available just like Io or RS. I want to try AF now.
 

SpongeAl

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I saw a slight improvement in the past going from Instant Ocean to Reef Crystals, but I suppose that is to be expected.

Skim made an interesting comment about his particular brand of salt taking less volume to mix the same 1.026. What I am wondering is, what is all the white stuff, are other brands using a filler?

One would think that with salt being the single largest ingredient, I assume, that all brands would need a similar volume to mix up 1.026.

Interesting, can anyone shed some light on this?
 

Nick James

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Well for now I am a Salinity user because its numbers come close to what is on the pail, with in the fudge factor of the test kits. You have to remember some of the kits can out by as much as 20%. When I mix about 15 gal. of water it takes 6.5 - 7 cups, I was using double that before to get 1.026 or 36 ppm this is what impressed me the most and that the mix is mixed for 1.026 or 36 ppm so you are not getting 500 ppm Cal reading because you mixed at 1.026/36 ppm and not getting an Alk reading of 14 or higher. A large bucket lasts quite a while in comparison to many of the box salts.


How much does a bucket of Salinity go for?
 

Skim

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I believe the small bucket 120 gal mix is around $ 75.00 and the last time I bought the large bucket 225 gal it was $ 114.00. Its funny I just went to the Aquavitro site to see the different size buckets and read what it said to make 15 gals. " 7 cups ". I just added the following as it may answer some questions. One other thing I really, really like about Salinity is the Buckets, they have the best lids. Every company should use these buckets, save a lot of Finger nails. They screw on and off.



salinity™
  • batch specific guaranteed analysis
  • most concentrated salt available
  • enhanced buffering inhibits pH shift
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Description

salinity™ is a blend of salts specifically formulated for the reef aquarium that contains all essential major, minor, and trace components found in natural reef waters, but contains no toxic or non-essential components. Additionally, salinity™ is the most concentrated salt blend on the market. With a hydration level of <0.5% salinity™ will yield a greater volume of prepared saltwater at a salinity of 35‰ per unit of weight than any other salt mix currently on the market. salinity™ is identical to the distribution of anions and cations found in Natural Sea Water (NSW). We have compiled data from all the oceans and seas on the Earth, and have targeted the midpoint of the range for each element. We guarantee to be within ± 5% of the midpoint. For example, at a salinity of 35‰, for calcium, magnesium, and strontium, we have the following targets and ranges.

Calcium: target 422 mg/L, range 400 to 443 mg/L
Magnesium: target 1336 mg/L, range 1269 to 1403 mg/L
Strontium: target 8.4 mg/L, range 8.0 to 8.8 mg/L

Alkalinity and pH values vary widely over the Earth's oceans. salinity™ will be within the following ranges:
pH: 8.4 to 8.6
Alkalinity: 3.2 to 3.8 meq/L

Sizes
Net 2.72 kg (6 lbs) Makes 75 Liters (20 US gallons), Net 15.87 kg (35 lbs) Makes 450 Liters (120 US gallons), Net 29.75 kg (65.5 lbs) Makes 850 Liters (225 US gallons)

Directions
1. Mix salinity™ with dechlorinated tap or purified water. We recommend the use of a commercial dechlorinator like alpha™ to neutralize any tap water chlorine and/or chloramines. If source water quality is poor we recommend purification with a Seachem Pinnacle™ RO/DI system. To prepare small quantities, bring 35 grams of salinity™ up to a volume of 1 liter, or add 36.27 grams to 1 liter of water. [This is a little less than 1/2 cup of salt per US gallon of water. For 15 gallons use 7 cups of salinity™.]

2. Stir well to ensure a good mix. Although the salinity™ solution may be used immediately, we suggest mixing for approximately 24 hours to achieve oxygen/carbon dioxide equilibrium.

3. Measure the salinity. We recommend a salinity of 35‰. This will be a temperature compensated SG (specific gravity) value of 1.026. If you are using uncorrected SG values (H) then the following formula will yield a value for S (salinity) accurate to within 1%:

S = [0.3348 * T] + [1325 * H] - 1330.4525 (calibrated at 15.56 °C (60 °F))

S = [0.2211 * T] + [1325 * H] - 1330.4525 (calibrated at 25 °C (77 °F))

where S is the salinity in parts per thousand; T is temperature in degrees centigrade (range of 13-30 °C); and H is the uncorrected hydrometer reading. If you don't mind an error on the order of ±3%, simply use the following table:

If the water temperature is: cal.@ 15.56 °C cal.@ 25 °C
degrees C degrees F then target H= then target H=
13 - 15 55 - 59 1.027 1.029
16 - 19 60 - 66 1.026 1.028
20 - 23 67 - 73 1.025 1.027
24 - 27 74 - 81 1.024 1.026
28 - 30 82 - 86 1.023 1.025
4. Adjust salt level accordingly. If salinity is too low, then add more salinity™. If too high, add more water.

5. Change 20% of aquarium water every two weeks (or as necessary) to maintain optimum water quality.

USAGE NOTE: NEVER mix salt in an aquarium containing livestock. Transfer livestock to the aquarium AFTER salt is completely mixed and specific gravity has been adjusted. Use Seachem's Stability® to avoid "new tank syndrome" and to prevent unnecessary livestock losses in a new system.

CAUTION: SALINITY™ IS NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN. Contact in dry form may cause skin or eye irritation. In case of eye contact, completely flush eye(s) with cool water and seek medical attention.

Guaranteed Ranges
We guarantee that salinity™ will have a batch specific guaranteed analysis that falls within the ranges below

NSW Min Max
pH 8.5 8.4 8.6
Alkalinity 3.5 meq/L 3.2 meq/L 3.8 meq/L
Calcium 422 400 443
Magnesium 1,336 1,269 1,403
Strontium 8.4 8.0 8.8
Bicarbonate 214 208 220
Borate 15 14.5 15.5
Bromide 65 63 67
Chloride 19,000 18,430 19,570
Iodide 0.06 0.0582 0.0618
Sulfate 2,655 2,575 2,735
Potassium 380 369 391
Sodium 10,500 10,185 10,815
Cobalt 0.0004 0.00039 0.00041
Copper 0.0003 0.00029 0.00031
Iron 0.01 0.0097 0.0103
Manganese 0.002 0.00194 0.00206
Molybdenum 0.01 0.0097 0.0103
Rubidium 0.12 0.1164 0.1236
Zinc 0.01 0.0097 0.0103
 

Canadianeh

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I've said it many times in the past, and I'll say it again!

Choose the salt that's easiest you can get and the best you can afford.

I've kept many, MANY successful reef tanks running the cheapest salts out there. @Kman can vouch for this as he's done the same.

Sony Xperia Z3

Which salt you use in your personal tank Eric?
 

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Really? I would think at that price it should be perfect

It is perfect I have tested several times and it's bang on (within the testing errors) This is after I tested with a reference solution.

Sometimes new people expect perfect results from there test kits without knowing there margins of error or how errors are induced into the test whether it be a bias or via testing procedures. titrations have a margin of error associated with them and all tests and test kits should be used as indications of parameters but not necessarily taken to heart. I run many tetrations at work And the government itself has margins of errors they find acceptable given the rudamentary process of the tetration.
These kits test kits I use at work have much better equipment but still run a fairly high margin of error as it's the users eyes that tell them what the results are. Colour chaning kits are highly debated.


I won't comment specifically on anyone's results as unless I am there watching the test and can duplicate it a few times with the person testing then it's a moot point for me
 

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Elaberate? Lots of people posting great things about it. But who knows what is paid for out there when it comes to reviews on other sites.


I think nighthawk said most of it. I have never used it but have heard the same stories here that I have read over on the Europe forums. Of course every product has bad reviews but the mass of which AF is bashed/hated makes me think twice. Again all here say but that's why we are on these forums, to become educated to make better informed decisions.

Yes, I sell fauna of course I am going to push the product, however I do this because it is the best salt I have personally used and only sell and push products that I use in our systems. I Have tens of thousands in livestock in my tanks I would not use a shit salt on my investment.


H2ocean I used to use and I personally
Found severe in consistencies with it, as well it left a nasty, nasty brown calcified residue in my salt bin, this was a put off for me.

As Eric said all salts work just up to you what you want to trust and what's in your budget
 

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How quickly would you go through one of those large containers of fresh saltwater bigshow? I have found that D&D didn't leave any nasties when mixed up, but maybe this was because I used it right away or within 24 hours. As far as consistency...well I never really checked for it and just made sure the salt was at correct salinity before using, I never did huge water changes so parameters were never a huge issue for me.
 

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How quickly would you go through one of those large containers of fresh saltwater bigshow? I have found that D&D didn't leave any nasties when mixed up, but maybe this was because I used it right away or within 24 hours. As far as consistency...well I never really checked for it and just made sure the salt was at correct salinity before using, I never did huge water changes so parameters were never a huge issue for me.

My old smaller bins I would mix and use fairly quickly but I did leave them full sometimes with mixed saltwater. Now a days we usually use up the larger bins within a week of adding the salt.

We haven't changed much in our routine however since we switched salts I don't have the brown crap coming back with the fauna salt. I was usuing fauna with the brown crap left from H2O and it was actually flaking off after a few weeks with fauna
 

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At first I thought it could be my water as I had the brown residue using IO as well, but since I switched to fauna I no longer have that issue.

Good to know. I'll have to check my pail as I've had saltwater left in it for months lol.


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