Lanthanum Chloride For Binding P04 How Is It Used?

[sunnykita]

Can anyone tell me how to use this and where to buy it? I have a friend who plans on trying to clean up his existing rock. Any info would be appreciated

 

[Kman]

Lanthanum Chloride is used in pools so I assume any place that sells pool supply. I would look at other options first before using this stuff.

Things to keep in mind. Lanthanum binds Phosphates and makes it fall out of solution. That means whatever way you use it you need to remove it with something like a filter sock. So it will need to be placed up flow from a sock. Or it will fall out of solution in the tank and start building up.

Also if kalk is dosed you have to be careful or you can precipitate the lanthanum from solution as lanthanum hydroxide.

Unless the po4 is really high I would use other methods. If the po4 levels drop to fast you can shock the corals. If any sps are in the tank and it drops to quick they can die. At the very least they will loose color. As this was originally designed for pools I would look at other options. Who knows what other chemicals, byproducs and impurities are included in it.

 

[heath]

is the rock in an existing tank, that will decide how to do it and what to do.. what critters are there..there are different and less evasive methods out there..

 

[sunnykita]

He was going to remove the rock from the tank and clean it and set it up again once he had pulled as much from the rock as he could. No sps in the tank. He's planning on moving the fish to another tank while he redoes the big tank.

 

[heath]

I had a HUGE po4 issue with my rock, from using untreated tap water for years..when I did the 125 (properly) I used the vodka treatment, non evasive and cleared up the issues within 2 months, I saw results within 3 days, I also used filter socks to catch the debris ..is there an algae issue or just the po4 readings...

 

[Pistol]

There are pharmaceutical grades of it like brightwell aquatics phosphat-e, if you go pool supplier route make sure it is 100% LC as some pool stuff has copper in it. It takes low ph to unbind it and a 10uM filter sock to remove it.

 

[AdInfinitum]

There are pharmaceutical grades of it like brightwell aquatics phosphat-e, if you go pool supplier route make sure it is 100% LC as some pool stuff has copper in it. It takes low ph to unbind it and a 10uM filter sock to remove it.

Right on...even within brands...eg phosfree regular has zinc additives where the professional extra strength is pure...many pool additives have zinc as well as copper.

 

[Kman]

There are pharmaceutical grades of it like brightwell aquatics phosphat-e, if you go pool supplier route make sure it is 100% LC as some pool stuff has copper in it. It takes low ph to unbind it and a 10uM filter sock to remove it.

The brightwells works pretty good. But you have to be careful as it really lowers O2 levels.

 

[Kman]

He was going to remove the rock from the tank and clean it and set it up again once he had pulled as much from the rock as he could. No sps in the tank. He's planning on moving the fish to another tank while he redoes the big tank.

This would be a better situation to use this type of product in. It defiantly minimizes the loss of life.

 

[AdInfinitum]

I bought some for the pool with the definite intent to experiment with the tank. I am attracted to the level of control it provides compared to GFO with its variable and non linear adsorbtion.

 

[Pistol]

I have been using it for over six months now, I dose it with a brs pump via apex hourly through a 10uM sock and maintain 0.025ppm and no ill effects. 1/100th the cost of gfo.

 

[heath]

IMHO, I think that we might be looking for the solution instead of looking at the cause.. this seems backwards to me, find the cause and then find the cure.. could a lot of different reasons for po4..

 

[unibob]

Unless you are experienced with dosing, I would NOT recommend using any in your tank. There are far more to go wrong then to benefit.

If you have a large system, then I would be more inclined to look at this route.

If anyone wants reef safe LaCl...I sell bottles of FOZ down. I will however take no responsibility for how it's used.

I have never used in my tanks, but do plan on using once I see more phosphates present.

It does amazing at stripping phosphates from old dirty rock.

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[Pistol]

IMHO, I think that we might be looking for the solution instead of looking at the cause.. this seems backwards to me, find the cause and then find the cure.. could a lot of different reasons for po4..

The cause is having fish and coral and feeding them, one cure is LaCl.

 

[heath]

yes to a point but, there has to be an underling issue to cause PO4, I and others have fish and coral and hopefully we all feed them and don't have a PO4 issue, correct...there are several causes for it...

 

[unibob]

yes to a point but, there has to be an underling issue to cause PO4, I and others have fish and coral and hopefully we all feed them and don't have a PO4 issue, correct...there are several causes for it...

The more you can feed your reef *quality foods* the better general health of corals/fish and colours will be that much better.

The problem lies with exporting nutrients, we rely on water changes to pull most of them, skimmer is another factor in exporting, as well as running carbon and GFO and finally dosing/running a carbon or phosphate removal product.

It's all about balance, you need to have good exporting if you are importing a lot into your tanks.

In a stores case: using LaCl makes 100% sense, they are always overstocked with fish, and you and everyone else who buys fish likes them FAT. Gotta feed them to get them fat, which in turn puts PO4 through roof.


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[heath]

Not trying to ruffle any feathers here, all I'm saying is that with most issues in our tanks there is usually a cause, over feeding, over stocking our tanks, poor husbandry practices. Not saying that this is the case. I personally believe that if you find the cause you will probly find the cure..not just a quick fix...
p.s. I like my fish fat..

 

[unibob]

Not trying to ruffle any feathers here, all I'm saying is that with most issues in our tanks there is usually a cause, over feeding, over stocking our tanks, poor husbandry practices. Not saying that this is the case. I personally believe that if you find the cause you will probly find the cure..not just a quick fix...
p.s. I like my fish fat..

Most definetly there is an underlying cause like you said. Having 1 clownfish in a 1000gallon aquarium is overstocking if you look at the big picture. Over the years we have had additions to the hobby that let us push the limits a bit more and more all the time. LaCl has been around for awhile, but I do believe it is going to be one of those items that let us push the limits with our tanks when done correctly.

No feathers ruffled here, my fishes fins are up...but I think they are just hungry and happy to see me.




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[reef keeper]

I dosed lanthanum heavy when cooking my rocks. Phons dropped from .57 to undetectable. Cost 100 bucks in product but no headaches

 

[heath]

Do you think that there is a need for more information on the tank before chemicals are added..